# Thread for Discussion of Political Ramifications of Trump Injury from Shooting at the Butler, PA Rally **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 14, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185 "2024-07-14T01:25:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/201 "2024-07-14T17:04:02Z")
Ford and Wallace. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/202 "2024-07-14T17:06:46Z")
I give up. I was thinking of former Presidents running to get back in the WH but honestly that doesn’t really matter to the point I was trying to make. As data points related to this it at least didn’t get Wallace elected. Or Ford for that matter. I was offering this to refute the idea that this incident means the race is over and DJT will win. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/203 "2024-07-14T17:07:50Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ford Ford was actually President, filling the end of Nixon’s term, in 1975, when there were two assassination attempts against him in the span of 17 days. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/204 "2024-07-14T17:09:47Z")
And ran for president again. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/205 "2024-07-14T17:14:20Z")
There must be a terrible sadness among Trumpists that no one had a [flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blutfahne) to staunch Trumps bleeding. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/206 "2024-07-14T17:14:53Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I am willing to beleive this incident will amplify support among MAGAs and right-leaning voters, but the Democrats need to remind people (the reachable ones) that surviving an assassination attempt does not make one more qualified for the job of President. The need to keep hammering on the disaster that Trump I was. I think there is a window of opportunity, where the DEMs could turn up the heat on gun-control and weapons bans … REPs would be in a tough place to justify keeping assault-rifles “free to purchase” … they would at least be in a inconfortable place to make this split of justifying assault guns for everyone, while their top honcho is still bleeding … ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/207 "2024-07-14T17:21:18Z")
Had things been different by a few inches, it’s likely that both R and D candidates would be off the ticket. Without Trump, the argument for Biden to stay in the race would have been much weaker. I don’t expect to see any gun-control legislation pass from this incident, either. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/208 "2024-07-14T17:27:09Z")
Biden would not have dropped from the ticket if Trump was killed. He wants to be president, that wouldn’t have changed. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/209 "2024-07-14T17:32:52Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > I think there is a window of opportunity, where the DEMs could turn up the heat on gun-control and weapons bans … > > REPs would be in a tough place to justify keeping assault-rifles “free to purchase” … they would at least be in a inconfortable place to make this split of justifying assault guns for everyone, while their top honcho is still bleeding … I’m sure Trump will be happy to hear that he was shot with “America’s Gun”. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/210 "2024-07-14T17:33:04Z")
Sure, every politician has ego. But with the Republicans presumably putting in a much younger and more palatable candidate like Haley or Rubio, Biden’s weaknesses would have become even more glaring. The pressure within the Democratic ranks for him to resign would be greater yet. Anyhow, I’m not sure if this thread was meant for entertaining what-if scenarios, so if it’s not, I’ll drop the hijack. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/211 "2024-07-14T17:39:01Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I give up. I was thinking of former Presidents running to get back in the WH but honestly that doesn’t really matter to the point I was trying to make. > > As data points related to this it at least didn’t get Wallace elected. Or Ford for that matter. I was offering this to refute the idea that this incident means the race is over and DJT will win. CNN’s website has a synopsis of [assassinations and attempts on presidents and candidates.](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/13/politics/presidents-who-have-been-shot-or-shot-at/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/212 "2024-07-14T17:50:39Z")
Moderating: > [@Velocity](#): > > Anyhow, I’m not sure if this thread was meant for entertaining what-if scenarios, so if it’s not, I’ll drop the hijack. Thanks for being mindful of it. Let’s try to keep this thread within the realm of speculating forward from what actually happened and not about what would have happened had there been a different outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/213 "2024-07-14T17:53:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s only July – I don’t think this will have a big impact, unless it inspires other attacks (whether “retaliatory” attacks on Democrats or more on Trump/Republicans). It was early to impact the election; it was right on time to impact the Republican national convention, if someone was hoping for Trump to be replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/214 "2024-07-14T17:57:20Z")
Thanks for the link. I was already aware of those incidents. My point would remain that only TR, RFK, Wallace and possibly Ford were running for office/campaigning. TR did well in his race but the attempts on RFK and Wallace ended their campaigns and Ford lost to Carter later in 1976. **As I already said, my post was responding to the notion multiple posters have put forward that this incident all but puts DJT back in the WH.** I see exactly zero historical examples to show that is indeed the case. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/215 "2024-07-14T18:07:28Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > it was right on time to impact the Republican national convention, if someone was hoping for Trump to be replaced. The only way that could even possibly have happened would be if the sentencing had gone through and Trump was behind bars. And even in that case, they would probably still have run Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/216 "2024-07-14T18:25:05Z")
On the failed assassination front, don’t forget the attempt on President-elect FDR in 1933: > **[FDR escapes assassination attempt in Miami | February 15, 1933 | HISTORY](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-escapes-assassination-in-miami)** > > On February 15, 1933, a deranged, unemployed brick layer named Giuseppe Zangara shouts “Too many people are starving!” and fires a gun at America’s president-elect, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roosevelt had just delivered a speech in Miami’s Bayfront Park... ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/217 "2024-07-14T18:34:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > On the failed assassination front, don’t forget the attempt on President-elect FDR in 1933: I’d always heard that Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was the real target all along and the whole thing with FDR was misdirection. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/218 "2024-07-14T18:35:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s only July – I don’t think this will have a big impact, unless it inspires other attacks (whether “retaliatory” attacks on Democrats or more on Trump/Republicans). That was my thought. If the election was two weeks out, this might be a game changer. The lazy Trumpers that this would have motivated to get off their asses and vote will revert to laziness by November. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/219 "2024-07-14T18:48:44Z")
You assume this is the last curveball this election season sees. With these two, and with what just transpired, I think these “interesting times” are far from over ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/220 "2024-07-14T18:53:32Z")
Nope, I don’t assume that. Just specifically responding to the sentiment that this act by itself gives Trump the win. IMO it won’t have a lasting impact, though lots of things yet to happen likely will. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=12)