# Thread for Discussion of Political Ramifications of Trump Injury from Shooting at the Butler, PA Rally **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 14, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185 "2024-07-14T01:25:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![loriloolee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5fc32e/32.png) [@loriloolee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loriloolee)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/365 "2024-07-16T23:37:23Z")
Someone mentioned selling MAGA shoes. They’re here. [A Trump-owned company sells $299 sneakers with an image of his bloodied face after rally shooting | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/trump-fight-sneakers-04527b269e1883da1ee9575f16a712c5#:~:text=The%20white%20high%20tops%20are,in%20his%202023%20financial%20disclosure). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/366 "2024-07-16T23:41:57Z")
And now, a word from Changed Man Donald Trump who wants nothing but Peace, Love, and Unity. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSpTAxDXgAAf2Sf?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSpTAxDXgAAf2Sf?format=jpg&name=large) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/367 "2024-07-16T23:44:10Z")
Oh yeah. He’s a new man. 🙄 That one does sound like him. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/368 "2024-07-17T02:15:06Z")
He also described the 2020 election results as “SACRED”. He keeps using that word … I do not think he knows what it means. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/369 "2024-07-17T03:49:10Z")
So, now that Republicans have already given up even PRETENDING to be interested in unity and cooling the political climate, can Democrats stop word-policing each other and acting like it’s our fault a Republican shot another Republican? > ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/370 "2024-07-17T04:30:01Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Oh yeah. He’s a new man. … Alfred E. New Man, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Lantern2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lantern2/32/3010_2.png) [@Lantern2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern2)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/371 "2024-07-17T12:01:04Z")
Three national [polls](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/) after the shooting and no sign of any surge for Trump: he scores +2,+1,+1. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/372 "2024-07-17T13:46:36Z")
The polls also said Hillary Clinton would win in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/373 "2024-07-17T13:57:37Z")
Split this topic on July 17, 2024, 1:57pm UTC 3 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Who will be Trump’s running mate? (J. D. Vance Has Been Chosen)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/579) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/374 "2024-07-17T14:08:01Z")
No they didn’t. Some of them did. The analyses said that based on the polls Clinton would have about a 67% chance of winning. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/375 "2024-07-17T14:37:41Z")
In any event, this is the thread about ramifications of the shooting, not for discussion of the race in general. For ramifications of the shooting, we’d want to look at changes in the polls from just before the shooting to just after. And based on the data, there really isn’t any change. The fact that what the polls said before and after slightly favored Trump is irrelevant here; all that’s relevant is that they basically didn’t change. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/376 "2024-07-17T16:12:58Z")
Exactly correct. And all the Democratic doomsayers proclaiming that this gave DJT an automatic win have been shown to not know what they were talking about. I’m still interested to see what type of bump the GOP ticket gets after the convention but that is also a topic for a different thread. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/377 "2025-07-13T23:26:00Z")
It’s been a year today. We’ll never know if JD Vance could have beaten Kamala Harris. Vance would have been the likely substitute if history had turned out differently. > **[A year after Trump rally shooting: Remembering a fallen hero and reckoning...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-after-trump-rally-shooting-remembering-fallen-hero/story?id=123707071)** > > The attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, marked a pivotal and deeply troubling moment for the nation. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/378 "2025-07-13T23:28:18Z")
Vance-Harris 2028 is a distinct possibility, with Vance slightly more likely than Harris as a candidate (in my opinion). ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/379 "2025-07-13T23:44:29Z")
Harris will probably run for CA governor in 2026. She said that she will decide by the end of summer. Newsome will be termed out and he will probably try for the Presidency in 2028. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/380 "2025-07-13T23:56:42Z")
I doubt if Kamala will be willing to run as JD’s vice presidential candidate. Ba-da- **bing!** ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/381 "2026-09-24T23:00:49Z")
One of them men who was shot at the Butler, PA rally has died, at age 76. Whether this contributed to his passing is unknown, but ISTR that he almost lost an arm that day. > **[Jim Copenhaver, man shot in Trump assassination attempt, dies 2 years later](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jim-copenhaver-man-shot-trump-assassination-attempt-dies-2-years-later-rcna599687)** > > Copenhaver suffered what his family described as “life-altering” injuries after being wounded in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13, 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2026, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/382 "2026-09-25T21:14:32Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > One of them men who was shot at the Butler, PA rally has died, at age 76. Whether this contributed to his passing is unknown, but ISTR that he almost lost an arm that day. We can’t know, of course. Even his doctor(s) would be able to give no more than an educated guess. One thing is certain, though: if anyone tells Donald (which seems unlikely), he won’t care. Condolences to Mr. Copenhaver’s family. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2026, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/383 "2026-09-26T02:45:15Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > One thing is certain, though: if anyone tells Donald (which seems unlikely), he won’t care. el donald might be able to use it to rile up the cult. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2026, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/384 "2026-09-26T20:20:11Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > el donald might be able to use it to rile up the cult. Possible, though “remember this martyred person” never seems to be high on his list of go-to tactics. For example, has he _ **ever** _ mentioned Charlie Kirk in one of his rally speeches? (If he has, he doesn’t do it often.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=20)