# Thread for Discussion of Political Ramifications of Trump Injury from Shooting at the Butler, PA Rally **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 14, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185 "2024-07-14T01:25:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/21 "2024-07-14T01:44:32Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Not that it’s any less serious. Someone taking shots at a presidential candidate is as ugly as it gets. I agree. This is very serious and something I am sure Trump will milk for all it is worth. I also think this increases the threat to Biden as some lunatic out there will feel payback is in order. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/22 "2024-07-14T01:44:53Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > He’s never had difficulty promulgating disinformation, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see Trump try to say Biden ordered the shot. I don’t think Trump will accuse Biden by name. I think he’ll go for a generic “they tried to kill me” and leave it to his supporters to figure out who “they” are. And leave his opponents trying to disprove such a nebulous accusation. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/23 "2024-07-14T01:44:53Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Are you implying competency in this govt.? The same one that let this happen? Was slow as fuck to cover Trump. Took some 20 seconds to get him off stage? Personally I’m under the impression that assignment to Trump’s detail is a punishment and the Secret Service hates him. I didn’t see any agents diving in front of those bullets nor did they try to lower his arm when he was waving it around to give any potential second shooters a point of aim. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/24 "2024-07-14T01:45:32Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Was slow as fuck to cover Trump. Took some 20 seconds to get him off stage? Watching the video, they were covering him in place, because there was still an active shooter. The moment that they said “shooter is down,” the Secret Service immediately got him off the stage and into the SUV. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/25 "2024-07-14T01:49:42Z")
If the shooter turns out to be an illegal immigrant, that will be bad news for Biden, sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/26 "2024-07-14T01:50:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > How’d that work out for the Wallace campaign? The far better comparison is Teddy Roosevelt’s surviving a bullet aimed at his heart in 1912. He the got more votes than the incumbent President. And don’t nitpick that he didn’t win. There won’t be four people running in 2024 and nobody is around to split the Republican vote. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/27 "2024-07-14T01:52:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > …there’s a good chance he spends the rest of the year hiding at Mar-a-Lago instead of campaigning. Nah…they will just start erecting bullet-proof glass in front of where he is speaking. Such things exist, I remember Obama using them. Since Trump is a candidate I think the SS will pay for it and not his campaign (and probably other added security). ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/28 "2024-07-14T01:54:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > For two, he’s probably deaf in that ear now and there’s going to be legitimate concern about brain damage. A bullet nicking his ear would not be deafening. A gun fired nearby is deafening; not so much a bullet whizzing by. Not really sure where you’re getting the brain damage either. Maybe a mild concussion from being tackled by Secret Service. Certainly no brain damage from the ear impact. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/29 "2024-07-14T01:55:23Z")
There’s supposed footage of the SS sniper taking out the shooter. All you can see is him trained on something and then firing. He was trained on something well before firing. I strongly suspect that he was sitting there thinking “Who the fuck is that guy? Is he with us? oh…SHIT.” ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/30 "2024-07-14T01:56:06Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I may change my tune as things settle, but at the moment I feel like Trump won the election because of this. And it’s going to embolden him to become a dictator. > > This is very bad for America. This. Bigly. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/31 "2024-07-14T02:00:11Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > Not really sure where you’re getting the brain damage either. All I’m saying is he needs to do a 90-minute in-depth policy interview with the New York Times editorial board and several open press conferences to prove that he shouldn’t drop out because of his obvious mental decline. 🙂 And if, as he claims on Twooth Social, that the bullet is lodged in his ear, that’s potentially a lot more serious than “whizzing by”. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/32 "2024-07-14T02:05:02Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Hypothetical: If a sitting President rescinded SS protection, would that be an ‘Official Act’? 🤔 IIRC this was something any president could do even before the Supreme Court case. None do since they all want that protection after they leave office. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/33 "2024-07-14T02:05:50Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > at the moment I feel like Trump won the election because of this. And it’s going to embolden him to become a dictator. Perhaps but on the other hand perhaps this will motivate him to quit. His life is under constant threat even with a solid bubble of protection around him. He has no freedom of movement. Everywhere he goes there could be somebody on a rooftop with an AR-15. Forever. That makes a compelling case for him to drop out and let the other guy deal with those worries instead. I can also foresee Trump having a stress-induced heart attack or stroke. I bet it has been a long time since Trump has had a big dump of adrenaline into his system. Can’t be good for him. And we know Trump has no idea how to process trauma nor does he know how to ask for help. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/34 "2024-07-14T02:05:51Z")
Strange coincidence he hosts a dictator in palm beach, one who is fresh off a visit with a Putin? I call false flag Can donny be way in over his head with his authoritian bromances. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/35 "2024-07-14T02:07:25Z")
Yall…good lord…being a dictator is a full-time job. And you need the full backing of an army with little to no opposition. You don’t just take the oath, and suddenly the army is going to do anything you want. And even if he did raise his own Praetorial guard in the wake of the SS (Irony there) failing to protect him, he still has to deal with all the states that would oppose his “dicatorship” Who DO have their own armies. 8 years of “Trump is Hitler”…and the sitting administration wishes him a speedy recovery? Well then isnt Biden and Obama enabling Hitler?? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/36 "2024-07-14T02:08:56Z")
One good news- the headlines calling on Biden to drop out will be gone. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/37 "2024-07-14T02:11:46Z")
Let me spell out whats going to happen and we can bet on it if you like Trump will increase his security with his own money if he has to. He wont drop out. He wont lessen his appearances. He will beat Biden handily. (Or Kamala) He wont become a dictator. He wont cancel the election or nullify the two term amendment And in 2028 it will be Newsom vs Somebody. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/38 "2024-07-14T02:11:47Z")
> If the shooter turns out to be an illegal immigrant, that will be bad news for Biden, sadly. I think the Biden Supporters prefer “Undocumented” over “Illegal” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/39 "2024-07-14T02:11:54Z")
It’s definitely going to be hard to argue that Biden is unfit because he sounds old when his opponent has literally been shot in the head, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/40 "2024-07-14T02:12:43Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Trump will increase his security with his own money if he has to. Since when does Trump have his own money? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=3)