# Thread for Discussion of Political Ramifications of Trump Injury from Shooting at the Butler, PA Rally **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 14, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185 "2024-07-14T01:25:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/101 "2024-07-14T04:08:43Z")
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**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/102 "2024-07-14T04:33:41Z")
Truth is stranger than fiction: [Breaking Bad - Semi Truck Shootout Scene (S4E4) | Rotten Tomatoes TV (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HH72WIh7Es) ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/103 "2024-07-14T04:35:15Z")
The party of January 6 is not going to be able to play the victim card. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/104 "2024-07-14T04:58:00Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > Can anyone paint for me the profile of a voter who wasn’t going to vote for Trump before the shooting, but will now? That’s not snark, I’m seriously curious to see if I’m missing something I think the theory is: Republican voter who was apathetic about the race or became less enthusiastic about Trump in the past eight years getting a shot of adrenaline and new enthusiasm to vote where they may or may not have before, courtesy of right wing media going on about how the left is out to get him/them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/105 "2024-07-14T04:59:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Newt Gingrich blames Biden, says ‘there will be fewer “never-Trumpers” tomorrow morning’ Definitely one fewer. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/106 "2024-07-14T05:02:28Z")
“‘We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,’ Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts told _Real America’s Voice_” Powder keg, meet spark. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/107 "2024-07-14T05:10:18Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I think the theory is: Republican voter who was apathetic about the race or became less enthusiastic about Trump in the past eight years getting a shot of adrenaline and new enthusiasm to vote where they may or may not have before, courtesy of right wing media going on about how the left is out to get him/them. From the looks of it, the shooter was probably a hardcore maganut, so blaming this on “the left” is gonna be a hard sell. ---
**Author:** ![Kyomara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8edcca/32.png) [@Kyomara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyomara)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/108 "2024-07-14T05:11:49Z")
I still don’t get how people being out too get him suddenly makes a person want to vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/109 "2024-07-14T05:18:59Z")
Like I said, it’s less a matter of changing minds than it is giving motivation to actually leave the couch and vote. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/110 "2024-07-14T05:19:14Z")
Naw…conservative voters are more than able to ignore reality and likely to do so. It’ll be a false flag or a mentally unstable person or something else to ignore reality. And can you show us where this person is deemed to be a, “hardcore maganut?” I have seen no information on who this person is or their motives. My money is on a left-winger but I would not bet a lot on it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/111 "2024-07-14T05:20:23Z")
Shooter has been identified: Thomas Matthew Crooks. Republican according to state records. ETA (for the cite): This is being reported by the NY Post. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/112 "2024-07-14T05:23:23Z")
The description of his clothes and reference to the weapon being a MAGA favorite was what had me entertaining the possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/113 "2024-07-14T05:23:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And can you show us where this person is deemed to be a, hardcore maganut?" I have seen no information on who this person is or their motives. It’s been established that he was wearing a shirt associated with a Youtube channel that’s all about shooting big guns and 2nd amendment absolutism. Definitely a gun fetishist, and considering the political leanings of the channel, almost certainly maga. Their most recent video is about how to get around Youtube’s gun censorship policies, and they’ve also got videos with titles like “I Specifically Built A Van For Drive-By Shootings” and “I Invited Cops To Train On My New Range”. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/eW__9jDDSvM/maxresdefault.jpg "Edging YouTube’s New Gun Rules") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW__9jDDSvM) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/114 "2024-07-14T05:24:12Z")
I just saw a Post on FB- serious post- selling the t-shirts of the picture. And a post saying (serious) “I am voting for the Convicted felon!”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/115 "2024-07-14T05:24:52Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I just saw a Post on FB- serious post- selling the t-shirts of the picture. Donald’s gonna be mad someone is grifting the rubes before he got his cut. ---
**Author:** ![Kyomara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8edcca/32.png) [@Kyomara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyomara)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/116 "2024-07-14T05:33:37Z")
Where are you seeing that he was a registered Republican? The NY Post article I found doesn’t mention party affiliation as far as I can see. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/117 "2024-07-14T05:37:53Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > Where are you seeing that he was a registered Republican? I didn’t say he was but I’m seeing on Twitter that people have found a registered Republican of the same name and age. I’m looking into it. > > > New York Post @nypost ETA: Found this screenshot but cannot verify just yet, because I need a DOB to look up PA voter registrations and I don’t have Crooks’; [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSa8WD1W4AAK6TN?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSa8WD1W4AAK6TN?format=jpg&name=large) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/118 "2024-07-14T05:49:53Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > They had Reagan in a car in three seconds and didnt even know he’d been hit yet. Reagan was a couple of feet from the car at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/119 "2024-07-14T05:52:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > From the looks of it, the shooter was probably a hardcore maganut, so blaming this on “the left” is gonna be a hard sell. Not to people that believe that pedophile rings are run out of pizza parlor basements. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/120 "2024-07-14T05:55:01Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > Obviously I’m no clairvoyant, but it seems almost inevitable that it will turn out to be a left-winger. Still think that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185.md?page=7)