# Thread Move Dispute **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 9, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201 "2017-05-09T14:01:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/1 "2017-05-09T14:01:57Z")
My thread to debate the morality of the passage of the AHCA was moved into the Pit - [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825688](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825688) Bricker’s thread to debate the proposition that he likes that the AHCA passed was allowed to remain in Great Debates - [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825427](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825427) This is inconsistent moderation, at best. Bricker’s thread offered no premise to debate - just an implicit invitation to other posters to get upset, so he could watch the ensuing chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/2 "2017-05-09T14:05:49Z")
Your proposition was “Congressional Republicans Are Evil”. If you wanted real debate, how about phrasing the question in a less charged manner? Say, for example, “Resolved: The AHCA is a bad bill”. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/3 "2017-05-09T14:19:28Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Your proposition was “Congressional Republicans Are Evil”. If you wanted real debate, how about phrasing the question in a less charged manner? Say, for example, “Resolved: The AHCA is a bad bill”. Because I wanted to debate the morality of their actions. Great Debates is the forum for religious discussion as well, and that encompasses discussions of morality. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/4 "2017-05-09T14:42:51Z")
From your OP: > [@](#): > > Could it be worse? Perhaps if they allowed the rich to actually hunt the poor and sick for sport, but the net effect here is the same. Rants get moved to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/5 "2017-05-09T15:02:39Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Because I wanted to debate the morality of their actions. So repost the thread and actually frame the parameters for a debate. Your second post made it pretty clear that you didn’t care if a debate happened. That’s pretty much the definition of a rant. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/6 "2017-05-09T15:17:55Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Because I wanted to debate the morality of their actions. Great Debates is the forum for religious discussion as well, and that encompasses discussions of morality. Demonizing the opposition from the start is not really an appropriate debate strategy. If you want to demonize, post it in the Pit. If you want a debate, then don’t demonize. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/7 "2017-05-09T15:49:19Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > My thread to debate the morality of the passage of the AHCA was moved into the Pit - [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825688](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825688) > > Bricker’s thread to debate the proposition that he likes that the AHCA passed was allowed to remain in Great Debates - [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825427](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825427) > > This is inconsistent moderation, at best. Bricker’s thread offered no premise to debate - just an implicit invitation to other posters to get upset, so he could watch the ensuing chaos. There are two items in question. The first is your thread that was moved to the Pit. As noted in the thread move action, it was more of a rant than a debate. Starting with the idea that Republicans are evil and murders and that hunting other humans for sport is equivalent in my view is well into rant territory. The Pit is perfectly suited for that type of discussion, so I moved it there. The second item in question is the ACHA thread posited as a wise policy move. Note the lack of evil-ness, murderizing, and hunting _the most dangerous game_. Whether a policy is wise or not, what the criteria for making that evaluation is, etc. is well within the lanes of debate. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/8 "2017-05-09T15:49:31Z")
Your fingers to God’s eyes, Colibri. You want a debate? Then debate. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/9 "2017-05-09T16:55:39Z")
Although I think AHCA is a terrible piece of legislation, and many of those who support it do so for very base reasons, I agree with the placement of the two threads. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/10 "2017-05-09T18:35:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Demonizing the opposition from the start is not really an appropriate debate strategy. If you want to demonize, post it in the Pit. If you want a debate, then don’t demonize. Do we have Republican Congressmen on this board? If we do, I will gladly reframe the question. Would you like me to go find examples of Great Debate posts that were allowed to stand despite ‘demonizing the opposition’ by your broad definition? How many examples would you like? ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/11 "2017-05-09T18:36:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > So repost the thread and actually frame the parameters for a debate. Your second post made it pretty clear that you didn’t care if a debate happened. That’s pretty much the definition of a rant. False. I was simply willing to be -pleasantly surprised if we didn’t have anyone willing to take up the opposing viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/12 "2017-05-09T18:37:54Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The second item in question is the ACHA thread posited as a wise policy move. Note the lack of evil-ness, murderizing, and hunting _the most dangerous game_. Whether a policy is wise or not, what the criteria for making that evaluation is, etc. is well within the lanes of debate. Note the lack of an actual debatable proposition… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/13 "2017-05-09T18:39:35Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Do we have Republican Congressmen on this board? If we do, I will gladly reframe the question. > > Would you like me to go find examples of Great Debate posts that were allowed to stand despite ‘demonizing the opposition’ by your broad definition? How many examples would you like? An OP is not simply a post". It sets the tone for the entire thread. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/14 "2017-05-09T18:43:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Rants get moved to the Pit. Colorful commentary does not make it a rant. If that were a disqualifying feature, they would put it in the subforum rules. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/15 "2017-05-09T18:44:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > An OP is not simply a post". It sets the tone for the entire thread. Precisely why Bricker’s thread belongs in IMHO. Thank you for contributing to my argument. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/16 "2017-05-09T18:47:12Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Your fingers to God’s eyes, Colibri. > > You want a debate? Then debate. I did. I stated that the congressmen voting for such a thing were evil, and I laid out the underlying facts for the conclusion. We’ve got premise, logic, and conclusion, any one of which might be attacked. You want something more than that? Then modify the subforum rules to say that original posts in GD aren’t allowed to be inflammatory. And then watch as I find hundreds of examples you’ve let slide before. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/17 "2017-05-09T19:04:18Z")
I love it. You get told why it was moved, and you then proceed to “debate” that simply because you don’t like that you got sent one place and your political opponent is in another. All you need to do is reframe your initial post in a new thread, as discussed, and you’ll be fine. Or, you know, you can stay here and tilt at windmills and basically be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/18 "2017-05-09T19:08:23Z")
I mean, if you mods will come in here and say “Yes, this moderation is not consistent with some of our previous decisions. We will discuss adding a rule to the sub-forum to define a format which must be followed for GD original posts.” then I will walk away, a hundred percent satisfied here. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/19 "2017-05-09T19:11:06Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > I love it. You get told why it was moved, and you then proceed to “debate” that simply because you don’t like that you got sent one place and your political opponent is in another. All you need to do is reframe your initial post in a new thread, as discussed, and you’ll be fine. > > Or, you know, you can stay here and tilt at windmills and basically be ignored. Well, if you’ve been paying attention, the main thing I get onto the moderators at this messageboard for is inconsistency. That, and not acknowledging when they’ve made a mistake. I don’t want to post a new version of the thread until I know what hidden, unwritten rules they have in mind when determining the difference between a debate and a rant. Either give it to me in black and white, or don’t enforce rules that don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201/20 "2017-05-09T19:26:18Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Precisely why Bricker’s thread belongs in IMHO. Thank you for contributing to my argument. If you think you’ve scored a “gotcha”, think again. Where did I defend not moving **Bricker’s** thread? But, if you want to know how things work around here, the mods usually don’t move a thread from GD if an actual debate ensues, even if the OP might be weak. **Bricker’s** OP was week, but a debate did break out, so I suspect that is why it wasn’t moved. Rants, OTOH, often get moved more quickly. Not saying I agree with the policy, just explaining it. Moral of the story is: Don’t post a rant in GD if you don’t want it moved. Consistency of moderation is more of an aspirational goal around here, as far as I can tell. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-move-dispute/786201.md?page=2)