# Three killed Sunday in shootings at Jewish facilities **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 14, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064 "2014-04-14T02:26:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/1 "2014-04-14T02:26:23Z")
Overland Park, Kansas- day before Passover ☹ > **[Chicago Tribune: Chicago news, sports, weather, entertainment - Chicago Tribune](https://www.chicagotribune.com/)** > > Chicago Tribune From Kansas City Star: Southwest Missouri man under scrutiny in fatal shooting of three at Johnson County Jewish centers April 13 The Kansas City Star Three people died Sunday when a gunman opened fire outside the Jewish Community Center and a senior living facility in Johnson County. Police arrested the suspected shooter, a man in his 70s with a beard, outside Valley Park Elementary nearby by 2:45 p.m. He smiled and reportedly made anti-Semitic statements as he was led away. Police said the man, who was not from Kansas, used a shotgun in the slayings at the Jewish Community Center. He also had a handgun when he was arrested. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/2 "2014-04-14T13:14:41Z")
Additional details from the New York Times. > [@](#): > > The suspect, 73, is a former Ku Klux Klan leader with a history of anti-Semitism and racism, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organization that tracks hate groups. It identified him as Frazier Glenn Miller, 73, commonly known as Glenn Miller, and said he was the founder and grand dragon of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. > > … > > The Southern Poverty Law Center said it sued Mr. Miller in the 1980s for intimidating African-Americans, and he has had several run-ins with the law since then. He served six months in prison after he was held in criminal contempt for violating the terms of the court order that settled that lawsuit. He also served three years in federal prison for weapons charges and for plotting robberies and the assassination of the center’s founder, Morris Dees. As part of his plea bargain, he testified against other Klan leaders in a 1988 trial. > > The police said it was too early in the investigation to determine whether the attacks were a hate crime. > > Mr. Miller made several unsuccessful runs for public office, including a bid for the Senate in 2010. He kept a website where he espoused views of white supremacy and eschewed racial mixing. He was a fan of David Duke, a white nationalist and a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, and Louis Farrakhan, the former leader of the Nation of Islam who blamed Jews for slavery in America. > > In a 2010 interview with Howard Stern, the radio shock jock, who is Jewish, Mr. Miller was asked who he hated more, Jews or African-Americans. Mr. Miller answered “Jews. A thousand times more. Compared to our Jewish problem, all other problems are mere distractions.” > > Prodded to explain, he said Jews controlled the federal government, mass media and the Federal Reserve Bank. “And with those powers, they’re committing genocide against the white race,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/3 "2014-04-14T13:30:00Z")
“The police said it was too early in the investigation to determine whether the attacks were a hate crime.” WAT :dubious: Known former KKK leader walks into a JCC, shoots people, yells “Heil Hitler” as he’s led away. Sounds like a first ballot Hall of Fame hate crime to me. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/4 "2014-04-14T13:32:27Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > “The police said it was too early in the investigation to determine whether the attacks were a hate crime.”… Gotta love America…/sarc ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/5 "2014-04-14T14:18:13Z")
> [@Leo\_Bloom](#): > > Gotta love America…/sarc That line about it being “too early” was in the very first edition of the story as it was posted yesterday evening. That line should have been edited out of the version I quoted, which was only a few minutes ago. Obviously that point is no longer in question. I should have taken that line out when I quoted the add-on this morning. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/6 "2014-04-14T15:23:20Z")
This is affecting me personally. That place is only about 2 miles from my house and we have visited often. I dont know the people killed personally but I know people who did know them and its being talked about all over our community. I understand the boy was a popular local high school student. Nobody killed was Jewish. Before someone starts jumping on crazy, bigoted people from Kansas, this idiot who did the shooting was from Aurora Missouri which is a 184 miles or about 2 1/2 hours drive south of here. It further has locals mad because he drives up here to do his sh\*t. He was a known kkk member with a history of anti-semitism. I have driven thru the area he is from and its pretty white trash. That Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City is a true community center where people and families of all kinds use its wonderful athletic facilities, attend camps there, and see shows at its theater. Frankly you would hardly know its even Jewish connected. My own kids played baseball there. Yesterday, sunday the 14th was a cold rainy day. That was a GOOD thing because where he did the shooting was right next to a playground and the baseball fields which would have been full of kids if the weather had been good. ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/7 "2014-04-14T15:42:03Z")
According to an article I read, he ran for office specifically because federal election laws then forced broadcasters to air his racist, anti-Semitic campaign ads whether they wanted to or not, and at a discounted rate. So the whole thing was essentially a giant attention whoring stunt. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/8 "2014-04-14T15:48:08Z")
Silver lining: usually a lot more than three people get killed in this type of attack. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/9 "2014-04-14T15:52:28Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > \ > > Nobody killed was Jewish. > > \ > > That Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City is a true community center where people and families of all kinds use its wonderful athletic facilities, attend camps there, and see shows at its theater. Frankly you would hardly know its even Jewish connected. Yeah, growing up in a heavily Jewish place (Maryland), the JCC (or just ‘the J’) was pretty much like the YMCA (‘the Y’). A place where you went to swim or play racquetball, and your kids went to summer camp, and there was no requirement that you be Jewish to go there, any more than you had to be Christian to play pickup basketball at the Y. I wonder if this asshole even realized that. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/10 "2014-04-14T16:07:35Z")
According to this report two of the three victims were not even Jewish,but Methodists:[Two of three Kansas City-area shooting victims were grandfather, grandson - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-of-three-kansas-city-area-shooting-victims-were-grandfather-grandson/) Mighty stupid racists out there. Also, apparently the shooter was a federal informant at one time,testifying against his “Aryan brothers” at trial:[http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/04/kansas-city-shooter-was-well-known-to-hate-group-watchers/360602/](http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/04/kansas-city-shooter-was-well-known-to-hate-group-watchers/360602/) ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/11 "2014-04-14T16:10:05Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > According to this report two of the three victims were not even Jewish,but Methodists:[Two of three Kansas City-area shooting victims were grandfather, grandson - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-of-three-kansas-city-area-shooting-victims-were-grandfather-grandson/) > > Mighty stupid racists out there. > > Also, apparently the shooter was a federal informant at one time,testifying against his “Aryan brothers” at trial:[http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/04/kansas-city-shooter-was-well-known-to-hate-group-watchers/360602/](http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/04/kansas-city-shooter-was-well-known-to-hate-group-watchers/360602/) This guy is going to do well in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/12 "2014-04-14T16:11:21Z")
The Aryan Brotherhood and other white prison gangs are arrangements of convenience, not bastions of ideological purity. Most of them aren’t going to care. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/13 "2014-04-14T17:28:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The Aryan Brotherhood and other white prison gangs are arrangements of convenience, not bastions of ideological purity. Most of them aren’t going to care. Yeah, but they’re not going to protect him from other gangs who might care. And no one likes a rat in prison. It’ll go rough for him. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/14 "2014-04-14T17:59:50Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > Also, apparently the shooter was a federal informant at one time,testifying against his “Aryan brothers” at trial:[http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/04/kansas-city-shooter-was-well-known-to-hate-group-watchers/360602/](http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/04/kansas-city-shooter-was-well-known-to-hate-group-watchers/360602/) So…not only is this jerk a member of the lowest form of human scum, he’s willing to sell out members of his own so-called brotherhood? What kind of bargain did he make?? Which lake of primordial ooze did this asshole crawl from??? No wonder the aliens want to nuke us from orbit with a hailstorm of asteroids – it’s the only way to be sure. **//rolleyes//** ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/15 "2014-04-14T21:15:19Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Before someone starts jumping on crazy, bigoted people from Kansas, this idiot who did the shooting was from Aurora Missouri which is a 184 miles or about 2 1/2 hours drive south of here. It further has locals mad because he drives up here to do his sh\*t. He was a known kkk member with a history of anti-semitism. I have driven thru the area he is from and its pretty white trash. This is a libel against idiots. Seriously, he may be an idiot too, but he is **EVIL** , possibly an evil idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/16 "2014-04-14T21:37:38Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > This is affecting me personally. > > That place is only about 2 miles from my house and we have visited often. I dont know the people killed personally but I know people who did know them and its being talked about all over our community. I understand the boy was a popular local high school student. Nobody killed was Jewish. It’s very close to where we live too, and I’ve even worked out at the facilities there. I drove by there today and the news trucks were all over the place still. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/17 "2014-04-15T00:21:15Z")
I used to play tennis on one of the this JCC’s tennis teams, about 15 years ago. I’m a Pakistani-American, and quite a few of our opponents thought it was funny to say, “You don’t look Jewish.” A few of my co-workers would ask why I wanted to hang out with a bunch of Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/18 "2014-04-15T17:56:56Z")
[None of the victims were Jewish.](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/us/prosecutors-to-charge-suspect-with-hate-crime-in-kansas-shooting.html?hp&_r=1) ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/19 "2014-04-15T19:30:03Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > [None of the victims were Jewish.](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/us/prosecutors-to-charge-suspect-with-hate-crime-in-kansas-shooting.html?hp&_r=1) So he’s an even dumber anti-Semite than anyone thought. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064/20 "2014-04-15T19:53:51Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > So he’s an even dumber anti-Semite than anyone thought. 10 bucks says he has misspelled tattoos. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-killed-sunday-in-shootings-at-jewish-facilities/686064.md?page=2)