# Three men freeze to death in a friend's backyard and aren't found for three days **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 16, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151 "2024-01-16T06:01:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/201 "2024-01-26T22:22:08Z")
Back in the day, a girlfriend’s brother gave us some weed that had been soaked in PCP or similar stuff (without telling us). He thought it was a funny prank. We smoked a joint and it was hideously intense. Hallucinations, time dilation, racing/ freaky thoughts. It led to her totally cutting off ties with her brother. I, on the other hand, kind of enjoyed the experience. I’ve always been able to remember that I am experiencing something that will eventually come to an end. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/202 "2024-01-26T22:28:46Z")
> **[On the streets, opioids sometimes more potent than fentanyl: Nitazenes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/12/10/nitazenes-opioid-stronger-than-fentanyl/)** > > The novel opioids can complicate overdose revivals and addiction treatment. May be paywalled but content should be clear. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/203 "2024-01-26T22:39:20Z")
Based on articles like this one, public toxicology tests often take 4-6 weeks. [https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/why-do-toxicology-tests-take-so-long-heres-what-you-should-know](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/why-do-toxicology-tests-take-so-long-heres-what-you-should-know) And it sounds like the fifth person has come forward and spoken with authorities. > **[Kansas City Chiefs fans found frozen to death ‘saw something they shouldn’t...](https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/kansas-city-chiefs-fans-parents-raises-questions-about-frozen-death/)** > > “We just haven’t figured out how yet. . . . What else could it be? Perfectly healthy men don’t just drop off the face of the earth,” David Harrington’s dad, Jon, said. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/204 "2024-01-26T22:45:59Z")
> He had [slept for nearly 48 hours](https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/kansas-city-chiefs-fan-slept-for-2-days-while-friends-lay-dead-in-yard-lawyer/) after the game and only learned that the bodies were there when police visited the home for a welfare check. I really hope the cops aren’t satisfied with such an absurd claim. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/205 "2024-01-26T22:49:41Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > I really hope the cops aren’t satisfied with such an absurd claim. That was my thought. Even someone who’s coming down from a high wouldn’t sleep 48 hours. I’m also puzzled as to why the cops aren’t investigating this as a possible homicide. What convinced them it couldn’t be homicide? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/206 "2024-01-26T22:54:02Z")
Also this: > Kansas City police have been emphatic that Willis is not suspected of any wrongdoing and the deaths are not being investigated as homicide. Without a toxicology report, why would they assume anything? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/207 "2024-01-27T00:15:28Z")
No obvious signs of trauma. Occam’s Razor. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/208 "2024-01-27T00:28:32Z")
Exactly. The most plausible thing to me at the moment is that they all over indulged and passed out. One guy was inside and three were outside. They all passed out and the outside guys succumbed to the elements. Inside guy was in a stupor for a long time and then when he realized what happened he cleaned up the evidence of the drug use. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/209 "2024-01-27T00:34:15Z")
“The first guy to get cold and go inside is a wuss, and it aint going to be me!” Second guy: Me either! Third guy decides to go inside after the other two freeze to death, and doesn’t quite make it and dies on the porch. NFL fans know exactly what I am talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/210 "2024-01-27T01:59:23Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > So this is actually the bit that I don’t get. Even if (as seems to be a possible/likely) drugs are involved, who wants to take drugs in a freezing backyard? Even if the house owner said “you can’t take drugs in my house”, their car was right there, right? My SWAG is that they all took drugs in the house while watching the game. 3 of the 4 had a dosage with too much fentanyl and died outside. The 4th never made it outside and passed out. That would explain why he was still out if it when they came for him. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/211 "2024-01-27T02:05:23Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I’m also puzzled as to why the cops aren’t investigating this as a possible homicide. What convinced them it couldn’t be homicide? Accidental death is much more likely than foul play. If there is no evidence suggesting foul play, they’ve searched the yard, house, talked to both witnesses, and no leads come in, then I’m not sure what else they can do. The renter’s story was suspicious, but if he was on a bender then it’s plausible. Presumably there was evidence of it around the house. I assume the police think they know what happened and are waiting for the evidence to confirm it. If it was drugs related they might be trying to track down the source. If either of these things are true, they wouldn’t be sharing any details. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/212 "2024-01-27T02:07:57Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > That was my thought. Even someone who’s coming down from a high wouldn’t sleep 48 hours. Well I suspect that a drug addict wakes up, eats some frozen waffles (still frozen) and takes more drugs. Lather, rinse and overdose. > [@nelliebly](#): > > I’m also puzzled as to why the cops aren’t investigating this as a possible homicide. What convinced them it couldn’t be homicide? The toxicology report takes longer for the 3 deceased than the time the police can legally hold the homeowner for suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/213 "2024-01-27T02:12:36Z")
Thanks for the information! What a bizarre case. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/214 "2024-01-27T02:59:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > with too much fentanyl You are _really_ hung up on the fentanyl stuff. Fentanyl costs money. Nobody in thr drug biz dumps expensive Fentanyl into other products willy nilly. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/215 "2024-01-27T03:34:18Z")
Fentanyl costs something, but it’s cheap. That’s why there are so many problems with other drugs cut with fentanyl and accidentally too strong. [https://washingtonstatestandard.com/briefs/price-of-illicit-fentanyl-in-wa-drops-to-as-low-as-50-cents-a-pill/#:~:text=However%2C%20the%20street%20price%20is,in%20the%20past%20few%20years](https://washingtonstatestandard.com/briefs/price-of-illicit-fentanyl-in-wa-drops-to-as-low-as-50-cents-a-pill/#:~:text=However%2C%20the%20street%20price%20is,in%20the%20past%20few%20years). This is just the first hit i got googling today, but I’ve seen lots of references to the low price of fentanyl. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/216 "2024-01-27T03:37:59Z")
I was gonna say I saw a report on Fentanyl being cheap, relatively speaking. And it takes very little to use to cut in something else. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/217 "2024-01-27T03:41:14Z")
I found this about the home-renter Jordan Willis: > [@](#): > > The Virginia-native graduated with a Ph.D. in Chemical and Physical Biology from Vanderbilt University in 2014. He previously studied chemistry and molecular biology at Northwest Missouri State University. Was the mysterious 5th man named Jesse?\* 🤔 🙃 [Parents of Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead in friend’s backyard believe victims ‘saw something they shouldn’t have’ as families await toxicology results | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13008467/Parents-Kansas-City-Chiefs-fans-dead.html) \*Breaking Bad reference for those who don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/218 "2024-01-27T03:42:46Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Fentanyl costs money. Nobody in thr drug biz dumps expensive Fentanyl into other products willy nilly. Fentanyl is relatively inexpensive. The high density of the synthetic opioid allows small amounts to be added to other drugs to enhance their effect and it can be smuggled more easily. It had the added advantage of being highly addictive and which keeps users coming back for more. There have been many deaths from incorrectly measuring the amount of fentanyl added to other drugs, and the unreliable concentration in illicit fentanyl pills. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/219 "2024-01-27T04:13:17Z")
> [@](#): > > [Parents of Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead in friend’s backyard believe victims ‘saw something they shouldn’t have’ as families await toxicology results | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13008467/Parents-Kansas-City-Chiefs-fans-dead.html) New headline: World’s Dumbest Man Speaks with World’s Most Inadequate Reporter ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/220 "2024-01-27T04:53:46Z")
> [@susan](#): > > World’s Most Inadequate Reporter It’s the Mail. That’s not a bug, it’s a job requirement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151.md?page=12)