# Three men freeze to death in a friend's backyard and aren't found for three days **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 16, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151 "2024-01-16T06:01:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/241 "2024-01-31T03:59:45Z")
If the 3 men left the house because they were hot then was the back door still unlocked? If they were capable of basic self care they should have been able to return to the house or leave the backyard to get help from a neighbor if they were locked out. It certainly sounds like they were incapacitated in some way and unable to care for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/242 "2024-01-31T04:15:40Z")
It’s not as if they were trapped out there. Even if the door back into the house got locked, the picture of the yard in the Daily Mail article (posted by @susan ) shows a gap between the house and the fence. They could have left the backyard and gone to the street if they were fully aware of their circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/243 "2024-01-31T05:18:18Z")
Yes, there were almost certainly drugs involved. Healthy, sober people don’t freeze to death a few feet away from a warm safe place. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/244 "2024-01-31T08:40:57Z")
One thing I didn’t know, and my apologies if this was mentioned earlier, is that according to Price, Willis at first said he’d “left the home sporadically” before his attorney corrected that and said Willis had left his bedroom sporadically. But reports said Willis had been asleep on the sofa for 48 hours. Maybe he had a sofa in his bedroom? (This is from the News Nation link aceplace57 provided.) [This article](https://www.wionews.com/world/explained-mysterious-deaths-of-3-kansas-city-chiefs-fans-found-frozen-outside-friends-home-683287) also says Willis was wearing Air Buds. They must really cancel out noise because first a friend pounded on the door for 20 minutes, and then McGreeny’s fiancée broke a window, entered the house and called out. Nothing from Willis. Also, Willis originally said–or was reported to have said–that he went to bed after the three men left, then later said he went to bed while they and a fifth man were still there. I wonder if Willis discovered the bodies, panicked (in part because of drug use, maybe) and decided to hole up in his house and pretend he knew nothing about it. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/245 "2024-01-31T09:51:35Z")
> Price also ripped apart Kansas City police, who have said there is no evidence of foul play in the victims’ deaths — as he suggested his brother may have unknowingly taken an unknown substance. I don’t see how unknowingly taking an unknown substance is evidence of foul play. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/246 "2024-01-31T12:09:17Z")
I suppose they mean if he was slipped it by someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/247 "2024-01-31T16:07:17Z")
I suspect all the police meant by “no signs of foul play” was “The bodies were not obviously torn in half by a shotgun that was lying nearby.” We’re not talking Hercule Poirot level detective work here. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/248 "2024-01-31T18:12:52Z")
It’s not like their heads were decapitated and displayed in a plastic bag as seen on Youtube. I’m still going with aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/249 "2024-01-31T23:02:41Z")
The host of the party (Jordan Willis) is going into rehab for drug addiction. [New York Post 31-Jan 2024](https://nypost.com/2024/01/31/news/kansas-city-chiefs-fan-who-hosted-watch-party-where-three-friends-froze-to-death-checks-into-rehab/) - Willis — who was wearing underwear and holding a wine glass when police arrived — claimed to have been asleep for nearly two days and said he did not realize his friends were dead outside. - The deceased men’s toxicology reports are still pending — though two of them were supposedly seen arriving at Willis’ with two 30-packs of beer, a neighbor told Fox News Digital. If I had to guess I’d say Willis had developed a tolerance for the drugs used but the others had not. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/250 "2024-02-01T00:23:36Z")
He may have passed out just like the other men. Except he was indoors and protected from the weather. The tragedy is so terrible for the families. Toxicology should answer a lot of questions. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/251 "2024-02-01T02:15:04Z")
I think it’s ridiculous there’s no tox report yet. I can see my glucose level in 2 minutes. I see where they test drugs, roadside in minutes. Alcohol on the breath, moments. A pregnancy test, in what? 5 minutes. A COVID test in minutes. A preliminary report can say if there were drugs on board. Maybe not exactly every chemical. But they could tell if the dead were drugged up. Now, LE may not be revealing it for some dumb reason. I can’t see where it’s not generally accepted that drugs caused this, in fact. Or at least contributed to it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/252 "2024-02-01T04:23:04Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I think it’s ridiculous there’s no tox report yet. I would conclude that there’s a whole lot more involved with getting autopsy and various lab results from state crime labs that will hold up in court than getting your blood glucose measured. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/253 "2024-02-01T04:24:23Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I can’t see where it’s not generally accepted that drugs caused this, in fact. Because they don’t make pronouncements before the lab results are back, regardless of what they suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/254 "2024-02-01T04:45:52Z")
As I see it there’s no court case or arrest yet. Unless they are preparing to arrest the guy in the house, which I presume there’s no reason to tell me, wouldn’t the news that it was a drug death and not a homicidal maniac running around be helpful to the community? If they simply froze to death from stupid choices there’s no reason _not_ to report it. Someone is not doing their job in that place. IMO ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/255 "2024-02-01T04:46:53Z")
Or perhaps the department is intentionally withholding information because there’s an ongoing investigation and they don’t want a potential suspect to know they’re onto them. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/256 "2024-02-01T04:50:06Z")
If he’s guilty of some crime he knows they’re on to him(the guy in the house). If he’s guilty of having a dumb idea and inviting dumber and his two friends over to partake he’s probably not really all that perceptive. If it’s a stranger that just happened to have murdered 3 guys in someone’s back yard it should be reported. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/257 "2024-02-01T08:07:26Z")
There is always the possibility that one of the friends brought a few pufferfish for snacks. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/258 "2024-02-01T09:35:27Z")
There’s also the point that forensic labs are busy. It’s not like the lab workers were sitting around with nothing to do until these three cases came in. They will have been working on the cases they already had. These three will have been put in the queue in the lab. They don’t get priority just because there is a lot of media attention on the case. The lab workers also have to be meticulous in their analysis. They have to be very careful to follow all protocols in their analysis, in every case they are working on. They have to assume, for each test that they do, that their test results may someday be entered into evidence in court, that they will be called as a witness, and their work will be subjected to a rigorous cross-examination by opposing counsel. That’s a higher standard of accuracy and meticulousness than things like a glucose test. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/259 "2024-02-01T20:15:35Z")
Of course they’re milking it for media attention. This is Taylor Swift all over again. “Come to Kansas City - Home of the Chiefs and real life Clue games!” They just need a way to monetize the proceedings. Law and Order Kansas City. NCIS Kansas City. Forensic Files - KC. jk ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/260 "2024-02-01T21:41:55Z")
Given that the host 1) “slept” for 2 days and 2) moved out and went straight to rehab, I’m guessing that he provided the drugs. I’m sure the combination of guilt for his friends’ deaths and his lawyer’s advice has convinced him to go to rehab. I hope it sticks; he’s got a long road ahead of him… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151.md?page=14)