# Three men freeze to death in a friend's backyard and aren't found for three days **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 16, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151 "2024-01-16T06:01:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/261 "2024-02-01T21:47:13Z")
Looks to definitely be drug related. Coming out now that the guy who’s house it was, was widely know as “the chemist” and would routinely make drug cocktails for his friends. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/262 "2024-02-01T21:55:38Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Coming out now that the guy who’s house it was, was widely know as “the chemist” and would routinely make drug cocktails for his friends. I’m now envisioning this place being like Jesse Pinkman’s house, with attendant shenanigans. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/yDDTevIugbc/hqdefault.jpg "Jesse's House: Inside Breaking Bad") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDDTevIugbc) ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/263 "2024-02-01T22:09:47Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > A preliminary report can say if there were drugs on board. > Maybe not exactly every chemical. But they could tell if the dead were drugged up. I thought so, too, so I looked into it. [This document](https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/default/files/faqs-toxicology-20150310.pdf) was helpful: > **Why does it take so long?** > > Toxicology analysis has several steps. The first step for most samples received in the Toxicology Unit is alcohol analysis. Once this is complete, a report is issued to the submitting agency. If drug testing is also needed, thedrug screen is performed next. Finally, any drugs indicated in the screening are confirmed and/or quantitated. Each class of drugs requires a separate analysis for confirmation and quantitation. Therefore, if several drugs > are detected in the drug screen, the confirmation/quantitation portion will take longer than if only one or two drugs are detected. Once this portion of the testing is complete, a report is issued to the agency. > > The analysts perform the testing in batches. This is done for efficiency. Each test performed requires that a set of quality control measures be completed. For quantitations, these measures include establishing a calibration curve and checking the accuracy of that curve through the use of positive and negative controls. Additionally, the equipment used for the analysis must demonstrate that it is working properly before the analysis can be completed. For these reasons, once all of the quality control requirements have been met, it is efficient for a number of samples requiring that same type of analysis to be completed at the same time. Hence, the batch analysis is preferred. Then the data gets compiled. After that, someone not involved with the testing does a technical review. As I understand it, the answer to why they can’t just say, “Hey, these guys did drugs!” to give the deceased’s families some answers is that what they’re determining is whether or not drugs contributed to the deaths. The initial tox screen might indicate opioids were in their blood/urine/hair, but not specifically which opioids or how much. If they’d all taken a tiny amount of some drug earlier that day, that doesn’t mean it caused their deaths. > [@Smapti](#): > > Or perhaps the department is intentionally withholding information because there’s an ongoing investigation and they don’t want a potential suspect to know they’re onto them. So you’re thinking that the police statements that they’re absolutely not investigating this as a homicide, nope, not us, not even a little bit…are lies to throw off a potential suspect? I’d never thought of that. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/264 "2024-02-01T22:29:56Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > He may have passed out just like the other men. Except he was indoors and protected from the weather. And it fits that he crashed in front of a fan. It sounds like they all were experiencing feelings of being hot. The first question I have is did the person who left take any drugs. Could he identify the person who had the drugs to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/265 "2024-02-02T01:22:23Z")
Police have the Toxicology report. It hasn’t been released to the press. The Daily M claims someone leaked the results and they reported the substances. I’m not linking that. I expect the official report will be released soon. I saw the news reports that Willis is called the chemist. He probably took chemistry classes in college for his science degree. Reports call him a HIV scientist. Authorities should have found evidence if he was manufacturing drugs. I think having scales, beakers, flasks etc. is a crime if it’s linked to drugs? Link [Toxicology report back on 3 Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead | Fox 59](https://fox59.com/news/national-world/toxicology-report-back-on-3-kansas-city-chiefs-fans-found-dead/) > [@](#): > > WDAF is still working to obtain a copy of the toxicology report. It will determine if there were any substances, including alcohol or drugs, found in the three men’s systems at the time of their deaths. Sources told WDAF the report details several substances were found in the men’s systems. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/266 "2024-02-02T01:48:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Authorities should have found evidence if he was manufacturing drugs. I think having scales, beakers, flasks etc. is a crime if it’s linked to drugs? Speculation was that part of his “lost” two days was cleaning up evidence. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/267 "2024-02-02T02:12:15Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Speculation was that part of his “lost” two days was cleaning up evidence. AIUI if he was cooking in that house the evidence is on the walls and in the vents. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/268 "2024-02-02T02:33:51Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Speculation was that part of his “lost” two days was cleaning up evidence You know you’ve partied hard when it takes _days_ to clean up the evidence. Sorry people lost loved ones, but know they died happy. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/269 "2024-02-02T02:36:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Speculation was that part of his “lost” two days was cleaning up evidence. That would explain the move. He needed a truck to get the boxes of equipment out. I hope the cops were following and picked it up when he dumped it. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/270 "2024-02-02T03:33:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > t will be released soon. > > I saw the news reports that Willis is called the chemist. He probably took chemistry classes in college for his science degree. From the interview I linked a few posts up: > I am a hybrid scientist. I came from the wet lab (i.e., working in a carefully designed laboratory with chemicals and potential “wet” hazards) with very little knowledge of how computational biology works. I slowly developed the skills and now I work 100% at my desk, using computers for analysis and designing experiments. My background is useful for good communication between the wet lab scientists and the bioinformatics/computational scientists. Knowing how to navigate those two worlds is a valuable and unique skill. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/271 "2024-02-02T03:53:42Z")
Thank you for confirming Willis has the necessary training. Although his current job isn’t in a lab. Maybe another Walter White in real life. It’ll be interesting to see where this investigation leads. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/272 "2024-02-02T05:10:19Z")
Why are people making this so complex? Someone bought drugs. They were too strong or they partied too hard. They all passed out. The ones outside died because it was very cold. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/273 "2024-02-02T05:22:39Z")
Pharmacists are also called chemists in England, and a TMZ (yeah, I know) report yesterday said that Clayton McGeeney had either a pharmacist’s or pharmacy technician’s license. Considering that he spent the last 20 years of his life laying wooden floors, I found that unlikely, and didn’t find his name on the Missouri licensing website. I’m wondering where they got that information, and how it was fact-checked, or not fact-checked. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/274 "2024-02-02T05:50:31Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Speculation was that part of his “lost” two days was cleaning up evidence. Clean this mess up else we’ll all end up in jail Those test tubes and the scale Just get it all out of here ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/275 "2024-02-02T07:15:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Thank you for confirming Willis has the necessary training. “Necessary training” for what? There are plenty of High School dropouts cooking up meth in their kitchens without any wet lab experience. Assuming this went to trial, as it currently stands, the defense wouldn’t even have to argue for a [Rule 403](https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_403) exception since there’s nothing even suggesting that this guy was manufacturing drugs. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/276 "2024-02-02T09:11:25Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > They were too strong or they partied too hard. Yes. And I mean, anytime you see a bunch of people die all at once, fentanyl is the first suspicion. Something like that just happened with two musicians and the wife of one of them. > **[Soft Moon musician Luis Vasquez, DJ Juan Mendez found dead in downtown L.A. loft](https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-01-21/soft-moon-musician-luis-vasquez-dj-juan-mendez-found-dead-in-l-a-home)** > > Singer Luis Vasquez of the Soft Moon, techno DJ John 'Juan' Mendez and Mendez's partner were all found dead last week in a downtown Los Angeles loft, authorities said Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/277 "2024-02-02T13:11:17Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > If it’s a stranger that just happened to have murdered 3 guys in someone’s back yard it should be reported. I think the police report that they “don’t suspect foul play” is meant to tell the community that it’s not a mass murderer running around. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/278 "2024-02-02T13:39:38Z")
BOLO [![](https://www.66batmania.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/otto_freeze.jpg) ](https://www.66batmania.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/otto_freeze.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/279 "2024-02-02T21:09:22Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > And I mean, anytime you see a bunch of people die all at once, fentanyl is the first suspicion. I didn’t realize that group overdosing was usual. I’ve only heard of individuals. I hadn’t been thinking about ODing in this case. I thought they were probably just impaired enough to pass out and then froze. But if it turns out they did OD, wouldn’t that make it more suspicious that they were in the backyard? If you are at the point of dying, it seems like you wouldn’t be walking around outside. (That’s assuming they took the drugs inside which would make more sense than going out in the cold to do it.) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/280 "2024-02-02T21:17:46Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Sources told WDAF the report details several substances were found in the men’s systems. Glucose? Hemoglobin? Cilantro? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151.md?page=15)