# Three men freeze to death in a friend's backyard and aren't found for three days

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**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [January 16, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151 "2024-01-16T06:01:29Z")\
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**Post date:** [February 8, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/361 "2024-02-08T14:21:19Z")

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> [@Smapti](#):
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> > [@ASL\_v2.0](#):
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> > Because otherwise, how would they be able to tell so quickly what he died from?
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> The article says a journal was found near his body and he wrote in it that he was experiencing withdrawals.

Ouch. So he died slowly of alcohol withdrawal. That’s a nasty way to go.

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**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/362 "2024-02-08T14:24:12Z")

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I mean, I can appreciate that, but…

> “It appears he succumbed to complications related to alcohol withdrawal. In his final journal entry, filled with optimism but also concern regarding the symptoms of withdrawal, Tram expressed his love for everyone, reminding us that ‘love is what life is all about,’” read a Facebook post on January 28.

…reads as much or more like a suicide note than a reliable self-diagnosis of an imminently fatal physical condition by a layperson. I guess I’ll wait for the cause of death from medical experts before I speculate further.

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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/363 "2024-02-10T23:49:53Z")

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Split this topic on February 10, 2024, 11:49pm UTC

40 posts were split to a new topic: [Breakfast: spin-off from “Three men froze to death” thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breakfast-spin-off-from-three-men-froze-to-death-thread/997414)

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**Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/377 "2024-02-09T22:45:28Z")

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> [@ASL\_v2.0](#):
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> …reads as much or more like a suicide note than a reliable self-diagnosis of an imminently fatal physical condition by a layperson.

To me it sounds like garden variety Dying in the Wilderness stuff. It reminds me of the entries Christopher McCandless wrote before he starved to death in the Alaskan wilderness, and other sorts of things people write when they die slowly. People in this situation know on some level that they are dying but psychologically I don’t think they want to face it, so they start writing these mushy diary entries instead, and just sort of offhandedly mention the thing that’s killing them. McCandless was openly hostile to his parents, but when he was dying he just wanted to see them again and emphasize how much he loved them, and like, oh by the way, these potato seeds I ate made me sick, probably. I find the whole phenomenon fascinating.

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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/378 "2024-02-10T23:51:13Z")

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At the request of a couple of posters, I have removed the Life Cereal/Breakfast discussion to its own thread. Please go there if you’d like to continue it.

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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/379 "2024-02-10T23:53:16Z")

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That would be

> [@Breakfast: spin-off from "Three men froze to death" thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breakfast-spin-off-from-three-men-froze-to-death-thread/997414):
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> While we’re waiting for the lab tests to come back… I never understood the “Mikey likes it” commercial. “New cereal. Sposta be good for you. I’m not gonna try it. You try it. let’s get Mikey (big smiles of logic) Yeah! He won’t eat it. He hates everything.” So…how does that prove anything? If Mikey hates everything, him not liking Life reveals no new data. And if he doesn’t like it…what? “Mom, we’re not gonna east your new cereal. Mikey hates it.” “Shaddup and eat it, or you go hungry!” JAQ,…

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**Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/380 "2024-02-11T00:10:51Z")

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Oh, thanks. I saw a link, but maybe that’s because I’m a mod.

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**Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/381 "2024-02-28T21:39:55Z")

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Semi-Update: There STILL isn’t any apparent conclusion to this very complicated and bizarre story.

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**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/382 "2024-02-28T21:50:40Z")

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I understand that the lady in charge of the morgue holding the bodies is now missing along with a bejeweled cat.

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**Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/383 "2024-02-28T22:47:59Z")

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I hope you mean a cat with a bejeweled collar.

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**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\
**Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/384 "2024-02-29T05:02:46Z")

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I think it might be a bejeweled belt instead.

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**Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/385 "2024-02-29T06:39:34Z")

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“_That’s_ not how you vajazzle a pussy!”

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**Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/386 "2024-02-29T12:58:58Z")

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I think it means a tomcat that still has all his equipment.

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**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\
**Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/387 "2024-02-29T19:36:19Z")

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Can someone explain the hijack?

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**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\
**Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/388 "2024-02-29T19:50:33Z")

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It’s a _Men in Black_ reference.

> **[Alien Autopsy | Men In Black | Voyage | With Captions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27OT-M3Pa2M?x=1)**
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> Watch now via the links below.Watch now in US bit.ly/LMIB97USWatch now in Canada bit.ly/LMIB97CAWatch now in UK https://bit.ly/LMIB97UKWatch now in Ireland h...

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**Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/389 "2024-02-29T22:11:48Z")

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> [@Zyada](#):
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> Can someone explain the hijack?

Thank you!

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**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\
**Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/390 "2024-02-29T23:06:14Z")

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Men in Black - the galaxy was on Orion’s belt. Orion was the cat, the belt was it’s collar, and the morgue lady found it. Then she left to join the MIB.

(Expecting to be ninja’d.)

Nothing to do with the event in this thread.

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**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/391 "2024-03-01T02:52:52Z")

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The hijack is just me prattling on about ALIENS being responsible. Bodies being autopsied tied into bodies in the morgue. Aliens + Morgue = MIB reference. The thread was dragging so I injected a bit of whimsy. SORRY!

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**Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/392 "2024-03-01T23:18:44Z")

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> [@smithsb](#):
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> just me prattling on about ALIENS being responsible

I hope we get to see the part where the autopsies mention reqtal trauma.

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**Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/393 "2024-03-12T04:22:35Z")

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[bumping in hopes of update]

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