# Three men freeze to death in a friend's backyard and aren't found for three days **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 16, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151 "2024-01-16T06:01:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/81 "2024-01-18T17:09:20Z")
Yes , treating it like a crime scene is one thing, calling it one is another. It’s not a " crime scene" until and unless it’s determined to be a crime. Otherwise it’s the scene, the location/place of occurrence \* , the place where the bodies were found. \* which is not an expression I just came up with - my job required me to read a lot of police reports , all of which included " At T/P/O " ( time and place of occurrence) in the narrative section. Even if what was described was obviously a crime - but T/P/O fits everything that might involve police , from a crime to a car accident ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/82 "2024-01-18T18:03:51Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Sure, but it sounds like they’ve already made up their minds that a crime has been committed I get the opposite impression – that they know what happened and don’t consider it a crime. One article said the autopsy / toxicology results were ready on Tue. Between those results and the statement from the house owner it might be clear what happened, but it can’t be released that until the investigation is complete. I will say that if the reporting is accurate, then the house owner is a truly terrible person – staying silent for days, not answering the door until the police arrived. It’s a tragedy for the three families. > [@](#): > > Police confirmed to [NewsNation](https://www.newsnationnow.com/) that they are investigating the case as a death investigation, not a homicide, claiming there are no signs of foul play at this time. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/83 "2024-01-18T19:55:47Z")
Meth is also a possibility. See this where a couple died in a snowstorm due to meth: [ > **[The deaths of Janelle Hornickel & Michael Wamsley](https://crimeandcoffeecouple.com/2023/03/28/the-deaths-of-janelle-hornickel-michael-wamsley/)** > > Listen Now! Janelle & Michael The weather in Omaha, Nebraska was treacherous on Tuesday, January 4, 2005; there was a snowstorm & the temperature with the windchill was negative ten degrees… ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/84 "2024-01-18T20:13:01Z")
You funny. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/85 "2024-01-18T20:15:22Z")
That’s one truly terribly written article. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/86 "2024-01-18T20:37:47Z")
It’s a WordPress blog page. You should expect bad writing. Here are the [authors](https://crimeandcoffeecouple.com/about-us/): > Welcome, so glad you’re here! We’re Allison & Mike Pernecky & we host a weekly true crime podcast from the suburbs of Tampa, FL. These are hobbyists trying to make a buck, not professional journalists. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/87 "2024-01-18T20:48:01Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > There were no obvious signs of foul play “observed at or near the crime scene,” according to police. Our amateurish local newspaper often paraphrases Police Blotter reports thusly: (A two car collision…police responded)… _“no patients were taken to the hospital.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/88 "2024-01-18T20:49:45Z")
I don’t know what it is with “journalists” or “wannabe journalists” (oh, hell, “writers”) thinking that including a bunch of boring background without making it relevant to the main story will make it more interesting. “Sara’s great-grandparents were born in a clapboard shack. Her grandmother enjoyed gardening.” Nobody cares. (This shows up for new fiction writers a lot too. I hate it.) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/89 "2024-01-18T21:12:27Z")
Aliens - specifically Alien abduction. Gone for three days - check. The owner saw it happen and cowered for the next few days - check. Bodies redeposited - check. Organs missing - check (might have made the last one up!). [![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/4c/cb/484ccbe10fc4be88a975cf85170fadb0.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/4c/cb/484ccbe10fc4be88a975cf85170fadb0.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/90 "2024-01-18T22:31:13Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > > [@CaveMike](#): > > > > FTR the deaths happened on or around Sun, Jan 7 when the Chiefs played the Chargers. > > The most suspicious unexplained thing is why the linked news report about the deaths does not include a photo of Taylor Swift, and does not state whether the 3 men were known to be Swifties. That was the last game of the regular season. Its outcome was not meaningful to the Chiefs, so they played their “B” team and rested players like her boyfriend. Those two were probably having mojitos in Kingstown at the time. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/91 "2024-01-18T22:48:47Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Aliens - specifically Alien abduction. Gone for three days - check. The owner saw it happen and cowered for the next few days - check. Bodies redeposited - check. Organs missing - check (might have made the last one up!). Would be funny (not really) if the bodies had been mutilated by ~~aliens~~ chupacabras, I mean the soft easy parts partly gnawed on by scavengers. That would definitely get the alien CT looney tunes tuned into this channel. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/92 "2024-01-18T22:50:03Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I recall someone describing to me his first encounter with cocaine when he was about 30. At that time he had some experience with some drugs, but was no great connoisseur. He was telling me the tale years later. It went about like this: > > > The actual experience of the high was kinda weird and not so great. But the instant I was feeling normal again, I totally wanted to do it again. Took everything I had not to snort another line right then. > > > > It was then I realized the power. I’d either go totally down that addiction spiral to disaster or I’d never try cocaine again. There was no middle way. > > Needless to say, he chose “never again.” A wise man knows his limitations in the face of great power I had that exact reaction to, of all things, snuff. I smoked a bit in college, and enjoyed cigars with a roommate right out of school; but I could very easily put them down and never smoke again (which, as it happens, I have). First time I tried snuff, though, I liked it so much that I did it again the next day, which I hadn’t planned on. That’s when I said, “Nope. Need to avoid this.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/93 "2024-01-18T22:53:35Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > That was the last game of the regular season. Its outcome was not meaningful to the Chiefs, so they played their “B” team and rested players like her boyfriend. Their “B” team?? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/94 "2024-01-18T22:54:23Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Aliens - specifically Alien abduction. _Fire in the Sky 2: Snow on the Ground_ ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/95 "2024-01-18T22:59:35Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Their “B” team?? In informal US sporting parlance, the “B” team is all the players on the roster who don’t normally start the game and don’t normally play most of the time. These folks are in effect trainees, understudies, and spares. They’re fully qualified players, but in the “must win as much as possible every day” world of sports, the person on the team who’s the second best [whatever] will play 5% of the time while first best plays 95%, or until he’s hurt. Once a team has either been eliminated from contention or has clinched moving on to the next level of playoffs, often a team will let their regular players rest and avoid potential injury during a game that for once is _not_ “must-win”. And thereby let the second-ranked players gain experience playing a full or nearly full game. That’s the “B” team in action. The regulars being the “A” team. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/96 "2024-01-18T23:31:36Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Once a team has either been eliminated from contention or has clinched moving on to the next level of playoffs, often a team will let their regular players rest and avoid potential injury during a game that for once is _not_ “must-win” Also in some sports when the score is very lopsided, like a baseball game with a 20-2 score. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/97 "2024-01-19T15:51:00Z")
So basically they’ll play a game with almost no substitutions? There’s only 53 men on the roster. So you sit down the starting 22, and you’ve got really 29 players left to do the actual playing, not counting the punter and placekicker. Guess football’s changed since I stopped watching. Sure, a number of players played every offensive or defensive down. But defenses used to switch even the number of linemen v. linebackers on certain plays, and offenses would have different RBs, TEs/H-backs in on different situations. I remember Joe Gibbs would use _way_ more than just half his roster every game. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/98 "2024-01-19T15:56:08Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So basically they’ll play a game with almost no substitutions? Not every starter will sit out the game. For instance, in the Chiefs game, the quarterback, tight end, running back, and one wide receiver didn’t suit up for the game. They were replaced by players from the practice squad. So there was a full roster of 53 players. Other starters played, but were limited in the number of plays in which they participated. So a backup player who might play 10% of the plays would actually play 90% of the plays in this game. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/99 "2024-01-19T17:14:37Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So basically they’ll play a game with almost no substitutions? It’s not that black and white. Not knowing your nationality nor your level of sports-watching interest or experience, I explained the most vanilla case in bold strokes lacking nuance. As @Railer13 rightly points out, lots more subtlety goes on on the sidelines and on the field when the figurative “B team” metaphor is trotted out in the broadcast booth. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-men-freeze-to-death-in-a-friends-backyard-and-arent-found-for-three-days/996151/100 "2024-01-19T18:29:37Z")
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