# Thunderbolts **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu\ **Created:** [November 10, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039 "2024-11-10T18:36:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/1 "2024-11-10T18:36:18Z")
So it looks like the MCU is going to have its own Suicide Squad. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/2 "2024-11-10T21:19:49Z")
In my opinion, a bad thing. I’m not going to watch it. But them the MCU lost me several movies back. So maybe I’m not even close to the target audience. In the big picture, I hate movies where the bad guys are the good guys. Sounds like, if I may, trump’s America. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/3 "2024-11-11T02:35:32Z")
I’ll probably watch it. At least this one is the payoff to previous movies and tv series rather than another work that only exists to set up characters for future movies. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/4 "2024-11-11T02:37:22Z")
I suspect there will be a Scarlett Johansson cameo flashback. She’s getting an executive producer credit, which says she has some involvement in the movie. And it’s not like she owns the rights or will be writing the script. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47774/32.png) [@epbrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/5 "2024-11-11T10:07:32Z")
I plan to watch it, I’m curious what some of the characters are up to, and it seems to tie into Captain America 4 (which looks to be going for a Winter Soldier vibe). ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/6 "2024-11-11T10:37:54Z")
Trailer: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/9D5gRb7Gkw4/maxresdefault.jpg "MARVEL'S THUNDERBOLTS Official Trailer 2 (2024)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D5gRb7Gkw4) It actually looks like it could be pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/7 "2024-11-11T19:56:51Z")
As an actual comic book fan this movie trailer bothers me. I get the sense that I’m supposed to know who these characters are. I recognize Red Star, Winter Solider and Ghost but who are the others? Who is this movie aimed at? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/8 "2024-11-11T20:08:12Z")
> [@furryman](#): > > I get the sense that I’m supposed to know who these characters are. I recognize Red Star, Winter Solider and Ghost but who are the others? These are all characters from previous MCU movies and tv series. Yelena Belova (Florence Pugh), Red Guardian ( David Harbour), and Taskmaster (Olga Kurylenko) were in _Black Widow_. Winter Soldier (Sebastian Stan) was in the Captain America and Avengers movies. Ghost (Hannah John-Kamen) was in _Ant-Man and the Wasp_. U.S. Agent (Wyatt Russell) was in _The Falcon and the Winter Soldier_. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) was in _Black Widow_ and _Black Panther: Wakanda Forever_. The only new character is Bob aka the Sentry (Lewis Pullman). All of the existing characters, except Valentina, were portrayed as people who were working for the bad guys but had been manipulated into doing so. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/9 "2024-11-12T00:40:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > All of the existing characters, except Valentina, were portrayed as people who were working for the bad guys but had been manipulated into doing so. I don’t think Red Guardian was manipulated, though he was betrayed eventually. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/10 "2024-11-12T03:21:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Valentina Allegra de Fontaine (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) was in _Black Widow_ and _Black Panther: Wakanda Forever_. She was also in a post-credit stinger in the Falcon/WinterSoldier series. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/11 "2024-11-12T05:25:15Z")
I’m watching, Florence Pugh being a big reason. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/12 "2024-11-12T05:59:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m watching, Florence Pugh being a big reason. Exactly my thoughts as I was reading this thread. Maybe not immediately (I lag a lot on TV/movies), but eventually. Pugh is almost always entertaining all on her own. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/13 "2024-11-13T20:47:06Z")
I’m going to watch it. I am a bit annoyed at them squandering the fantastic premise of the original Thunderbolts–but the MCU doesnt have a ton of iconic surviving and available villains. As it is…it’s really just “The F\*\*\*ed Up Avengers” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/14 "2024-11-13T21:19:26Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > As it is…it’s really just “The F\*\*\*ed Up Avengers” Which is what i like about it. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/15 "2024-11-14T03:42:30Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > As it is…it’s really just “The F\*\*\*ed Up Avengers” Which has the potential to be entertaining, if not “meaningful” - even in comic book terms. I’ll watch. ---
**Author:** ![OldManLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oldmanlogan/32/5237_2.png) [@OldManLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldManLogan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/16 "2025-04-29T17:20:54Z")
Movie comes out this week and I’m excited for it. Review embargo has lifted and is getting solid praise. \*Maybe we’ll learn what the \* finally means ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/17 "2025-04-29T17:57:46Z")
> [@OldManLogan](#): > > \*Maybe we’ll learn what the \* finally means I just took it from the trailer to mean no characters want that name, but they’re stuck with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/18 "2025-04-30T14:07:01Z")
> [@OldManLogan](#): > > \*Maybe we’ll learn what the \* finally means I think there is a poster that indicates: \*Avengers not available Like this is the team you put together when the main team is unavailable. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/19 "2025-04-30T14:32:17Z")
Isn’t the eponymous Thunderbolt mostly a bad guy? He hunted the hulk, became a trump-like president, and turned into red hulk. I guess…truth in advertising? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039/20 "2025-04-30T14:53:31Z")
The name is unrelated I believe. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thunderbolts/1010039.md?page=2)