# Thundercats Mafia Gameplay Thread \[Game Over\]

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [April 21, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228 "2011-04-21T14:28:47Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/221 "2011-04-28T18:03:12Z")

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🙂

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**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/222 "2011-04-28T18:27:33Z")

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I am really surprised that I’m the only one who thinks the **Pleonast** thing is a big deal, but it seems pretty obvious now that I am. I think I’ve said everything I’m going to say about it in terms of what seems anti-town about it. If holding that position is scummy to you, **Normal** , I guess that’s OK with me.

Still, I don’t want to die particularly, and a one-man strong arm effort isn’t worth much, so I’ll be reconsidering my vote once I figure out something else to do with it. The people have spoken and I am dropping it.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/223 "2011-04-28T18:34:15Z")

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> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#):
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> I am really surprised that I’m the only one who thinks the **Pleonast** thing is a big deal, but it seems pretty obvious now that I am. I think I’ve said everything I’m going to say about it in terms of what seems anti-town about it. If holding that position is scummy to you, **Normal** , I guess that’s OK with me.
> 
> Still, I don’t want to die particularly, and a one-man strong arm effort isn’t worth much, so I’ll be reconsidering my vote once I figure out something else to do with it. The people have spoken and I am dropping it.

I am with you brother.

That was figurative language. I am neither with you, nor am I your brother.

However, I agree with your premise.

**Unvote: Tom**  
**Vote: Pleonast**

for what my friend Jimmy says, and maybe a little OMGUS,  
and a butterscotch cloud, a tangerine, and a side order of ham.

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**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/224 "2011-04-28T19:04:28Z")

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Ok, let me see if I can make some sense of what is going on before I go to work today… Here is the final voting of day 1.

> [@](#):
>
> Current vote tallies (with voter(s), in chronological order):
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> **glowacks: 5 (Red Skeezix, Giraffe, Astral Rejection, special ed, Normal Phase)**  
> Tom Scud: 2 (Mahaloth, Zeriel)  
> Astral Rejection: 1 (glowacks)  
> Mahaloth: 1 (fubbleskag)  
> pedescribe: 1 (Tom Scud)  
> special ed: 1 (Wolverine)  
> Zeriel: 1 (Pleonast)
> 
> Votes cast today, by player (in post number):
> 
> 1. Astral Rejection - [del]Giraffe[/del] (39/68); glowacks (68)
> 2. glowacks - Astral Rejection (55) **Dead**
> 3. Pleonast - Zeriel (64)
> 4. Zeriel - Tom Scud (37) **Replaced by Me**
> 5. Mahaloth - Tom Scud (34)
> 6. Normal Phase - glowacks (111)
> 7. special ed - [del]Pleonast[/del] (33); glowacks (79)
> 8. Red Skeezix - glowacks (41)
> 9. Giraffe - glowacks (63)
> 10. pedescribe **Replaced by Jimmy Chitwood**
> 11. fubbleskag - Mahaloth (77)
> 12. Tom Scud - pedescribe (95)
> 13. Sir T-Cups **Replaced by Inner Stickler**
> 14. Wolverine - special ed (87) **Dead**

I don’t believe **Astral Rejection** is scum, due to his little mind hickup, so I’m giving him town cred. I also don’t believe **Pleonast** is scum, because even though his little multivoting is confusing, and scummy, (specially for someone new to the game), I don’t think it is something scum would do to bring attention to himself.

Ok, now that I know who I’m not voting for, I need to figure out who I am voting for… I agree with the hypothesis that one of the voters on **glowacks** was probably scum, I don’t think it is **Giraffe** for the sole reason he did the math, if it truly was a pro-scum idea, and he is scum, he would have just not posted the math.

**Normal Phase** ’s activity at the end of the day, and his unneeded vote on Glo seems scummy, but, it was Easter Weekend. I know how busy everyone was. So, I’m going to give him a pass on it.

That leaves **Red Skeezix** and **Special Ed** , I didn’t like Ed’s posts that didn’t make sense, and he voted on Glo for a weak reason, while being the one that tilted the scales towards Glo’s lynching… So, for now,

Vote Special Ed

Now, I might change that later on depending on what everyone else does the rest of this days, but just in case I don’t get a chance to post again, I wanted to get a vote out.

BTW: Woohoo! 1000 posts! Only took me 10 years to do it!

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/225 "2011-04-28T19:07:53Z")

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> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#):
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> I also don’t believe **Pleonast** is scum, because even though his little multivoting is confusing, and scummy, (specially for someone new to the game), I don’t think it is something scum would do to bring attention to himself.

I’m not sure what I think about **Pleo** , but it’s worth noting that in Glasnost Mafia he drew attention to himself in pretty much precisely the same way while playing a Scum power role.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/226 "2011-04-28T20:26:21Z")

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Basically, Pleo is more or less consistently a little “off” and does weird things. He does bug me sometimes, but his oddness is usually a null tell. He has multi-voted before knowing they will not count. I’m assuming he has done so as scum and town.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/227 "2011-04-28T20:31:10Z")

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> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#):
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> That leaves **Red Skeezix** and **Special Ed** , …

:snipped:

Why does it just leave them? I notice you didn’t discuss me, Stickler, or Tom Scud. I find it disconcerting when someone has zero suspicions of me or has mentally scratched off other players without comment.

😕

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/228 "2011-04-28T20:32:21Z")

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I was wondering about that, and realized he (?) was confining himself to the people who voted for Glowacks.

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/229 "2011-04-28T20:32:47Z")

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> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#):
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> I am really surprised that I’m the only one who thinks the **Pleonast** thing is a big deal, but it seems pretty obvious now that I am. I think I’ve said everything I’m going to say about it in terms of what seems anti-town about it. If holding that position is scummy to you, **Normal** , I guess that’s OK with me.
> 
> Still, I don’t want to die particularly, and a one-man strong arm effort isn’t worth much, so I’ll be reconsidering my vote once I figure out something else to do with it. The people have spoken and I am dropping it.

Anti-town is not scummy by definition, that’s the problem, and you’re trying to make it as if it is. I suspect Pleonast for two reasons:  
– “look how townie I am”, and  
– his comments about me this “morning”  
There may or may not be more once I’ve gone over his posts as a total. But it’s nothing to do with how “anti-town” his oddities are. That’s a cop-out – it works whether Pleo is mafia or not. I want to know if you think he is _scummy_.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/230 "2011-04-28T20:35:22Z")

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> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> :snipped:
> 
> Why does it just leave them? I notice you didn’t discuss me, Stickler, or Tom Scud. I find it disconcerting when someone has zero suspicions of me or has mentally scratched off other players without comment.
> 
> 😕

I think the assumption is that one of glo’s voters must be Scum

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/231 "2011-04-28T20:38:20Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> for what my friend Jimmy says, and maybe a little OMGUS,  
> and a butterscotch cloud, a tangerine, and a side order of ham.

And if you set your mind free, baby, maybe you’ll understand.  
Starfish and coffee, maple syrup and jam.

🙂

And if you can figure out why your vote bothers me so much less than Jimmy’s considering it’s based on the same damn thing, then maybe we’ll have something here.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/232 "2011-04-28T22:21:47Z")

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> [@Normal\_Phase](#):
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> And if you set your mind free, baby, maybe you’ll understand.  
> Starfish and coffee, maple syrup and jam.
> 
> 🙂
> 
> And if you can figure out why your vote bothers me so much less than Jimmy’s considering it’s based on the same damn thing, then maybe we’ll have something here.

You know why, and I know why, but some people need to be hit in the face with a 2x4 before they see the light.

[oog]That song, by the way is one of my favorite ‘this is why I do what I do songs’ songs. The Wrong Child by REM is a good one too.[/oog]

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**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/233 "2011-04-28T22:35:40Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> You know why, and I know why, but some people need to be hit in the face with a 2x4 before they see the light.

This has gotta be the most ironic paean to straightforwardness ever made. If you have a 2x4 handy with which to make the point you’re trying to make, I for one would sure appreciate your swinging it my way.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/234 "2011-04-28T22:52:29Z")

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> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#):
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> This has gotta be the most ironic paean to straightforwardness ever made. If you have a 2x4 handy with which to make the point you’re trying to make, I for one would sure appreciate your swinging it my way.

yeah, maybe I exaggerated a little.

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/235 "2011-04-28T23:47:36Z")

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I didn’t know that REM song; the lyrics are gorgeous. I’ll look it up on YouTube when I’m back on the computer with speakers.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/236 "2011-04-28T23:56:53Z")

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> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> I was wondering about that, and realized he (?) was confining himself to the people who voted for Glowacks.

I see. Nevermind.

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**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/237 "2011-04-29T02:25:45Z")

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FYI, I’m going to be posting a lot less than usual from now on due to the fact that the [SDMB is now a porno site](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=606559), at least according to our workplace web filter. :smack:

I’ll still be participating, but from this point onward my posting will be far less than usual.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/238 "2011-04-29T02:29:59Z")

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> [@Giraffe](#):
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> FYI, I’m going to be posting a lot less than usual from now on due to the fact that the [SDMB is now a porno site](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=606559), at least according to our workplace web filter. :smack:
> 
> I’ll still be participating, but from this point onward my posting will be far less than usual.

proboards is that way for me, but the idlemafia pointer works well

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**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/239 "2011-04-29T03:41:11Z")

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I got the same thing giraffe. I was meaning to play catch up during a meeting at work today. but alas, blocked. I’ll be back tomorrow with thoughts, although not during working hrous grumble grumble.

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**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/240 "2011-04-29T04:55:03Z")

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I said I wasn’t going to get involved in the pleo thing and yet here I am, about to jump in the fray but on the opposite side that I’m usually on, I think. (I can never remember which side I come down on with important issues. Toilet paper over or under, I don’t freakin’ know.)

> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#):
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> Because do you know what is a really important mechanism for holding someone to a vote he’s made? The fact that the vote is a _vote_, and that it has consequences. Right now, if I, in this post, vote for six people even though I’ve already voted, I’m not advancing the likelihood that any one of them will get lynched – and I know that’s the case. Later, though according to **Pleonast** , I could say, yeah, well, in that one post with six votes in it, I totally nailed these other two way before anyone else, so give me credit for that, and also that I intended each of my seven votes to have equal weight, so if my original vote was a shitty one, well, it was only one of seven, even though it’s obviously the only one that had any significance. Should I do that, do you suppose? If I shouldn’t do that and I do do that, what will your conclusion be about my motivations? And what he’s doing is actually a little worse than that, because he’s explicitly saying that **fluid** should pick which votes count. So, not only is he theoretically accountable for _every_ vote, he’s also not accountable for _any_ of them specifically!

I don’t see Pleonast as making this ploy. I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s trying to bury ‘real’ votes in a flurry of fake ones. He’s just a really big fan of multivoting. ([OOG]As far as making fluid the arbiter of which votes are real, well I, for one, am very well aware of Pleo’s view that once the game begins, the moderator should not make any decisions about game mechanics and only exists as an impartial mediator to enforce rules and send out PMs. I am not surprised to see him, town or scum, attempt to upset the applecart mechanicswise to make his point.[OOG]) However, it seems to me that Pleo has been relatively clear and concise about his intentions here and Jimmy is likewise adamant that they are anti-town, I do not see the evidence for that. I sense some spinning or motives here.

**Vote Jimmy**

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