# Thundercats Mafia Gameplay Thread \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 21, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228 "2011-04-21T14:28:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/281 "2011-04-29T21:42:09Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > **Tom** , what did the crossed-out reference to the doc mean? Is that from another game and something to do with using a plural vs. singular, or something? I don’t get it. Yes, a game where peeker claimed to be **A** Doc. Truthfully, as it turned out.(Screamers). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/282 "2011-04-29T21:44:22Z")
@Astral, I would only think Giraffe were Scum if one of the people I was tied with were Scum. I can see it as a protective vote. If they turn out to be Town, then he probably is as well. @Jimmy As the Day progressed, I saw not much going on. I decided to post oddly. My hopes were to either: 1. Start some conversation 2. Make Scum think I was trying to communicate something secretly, thereby making me a NK target. As it became more possible that I could be lynched (a scenario I thought was possible because this board does like to lynch the loud and lynch the people you don’t understand), I claimed honestly. Anything else you don’t understand? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/283 "2011-04-29T22:10:01Z")
Well, the same thing as originally - I don’t get how that was going to start any conversations. **Giraffe** asked you directly about what you were trying to do and you didn’t even answer him. I will point out that since the scum can’t day-talk, **ed** ’s saying > [@](#): > > 1. So, it’s possible that my mentioning being blocked by proboards was in response to you mentioning being blocked here, but you hold to the fact that it’s more likely I was covertly conveying to my Scum buddies that I couldn’t reach them on the Scum board from work. At a time (9:39PM) when I could actually have reached them on the Scum boards to tell them so. is either an indication that he isn’t scum and didn’t know that, or an attempt at pretending that he didn’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/284 "2011-04-29T22:11:39Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I don’t 100% understand this. I kind of see where you’re coming from when you say he’s not really lynch leader. I’d say he was close enough, since he was tied, but that’s just semantics. What confuses me is your comment that his claim “harms town.” Presuming he’s a town player, he needs to do everything in his power to save himself if he’s on the chopping block, because lynching town players is a losing strategy. With only 24 hours left to go, and a relatively anemic discussion group, I can understand his timing. Plus, assuming he’s telling the truth, he’s gotten us 1/12th closer to lynching scum. We can now reevaluate our lynch, and we have plenty of time to discuss our next target. Not seeing the issue here. How does his claim get us any closer to lynching scum? The only person who knows if he’s telling the truth is Ed and the scum. The timing of his claim makes a lot more sense coming from a scum player than a Town player. A Town Vanilla in a three-way tie has no urgency to reveal his role: if people don’t believe he is Town, they’re not going to believe his claim anyway. So you argue that you’re Town as best you can, without handing the scum free information. Don’t forget that a three way tie is easy to manipulate – if he’s telling the truth, the scum simply have to shift one vote and now they have a confirmed Vanilla they can snuggle up with while they have an easier time picking off the masons and powers. Scum would have far greater incentive to make a Vanilla claim when Ed did. If he waits too long, it looks like scum trying to wriggle out of the noose. Whereas he has a good chance of getting quasi-confirmed, if people believe a scum wouldn’t gamble on claiming a named role with so many players left. > [@](#): > > I would also consider Mahaloth an acceptable lynch target. > > That being said, I do want to address the Jimmy Situation. Of the three voting for him, I think Mahaloth is scum and I have no read whatsoever on Inner Stickler (Previously Sir T Cups). So, you seem pretty strongly convinced that Mahaloth is scum, yet you put a one-off vote on me instead of him? Why wouldn’t you vote for the player you think is scum who has a better chance of actually getting lynched? You go on to say you know voting for me won’t have any effect and give your approval to lynching Ed: why not just lay out your case for my scumminess, but then place a vote that actually contributes in the lynch decision? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/285 "2011-04-29T22:21:19Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > 1. So, it’s possible that my mentioning being blocked by proboards was in response to you mentioning being blocked here, but you hold to the fact that it’s more likely I was covertly conveying to my Scum buddies that I couldn’t reach them on the Scum board from work. At a time (9:39PM) when I could actually have reached them on the Scum boards to tell them so. Fair point. If it helps, your mentioning the proboards was just what caught my attention – I don’t think it’s a strong scum tell. > [@](#): > > 1. Yes, you’ll find that I have mentioned it on Scum boards that I cannot access them from work. Why on Earth I would choose this game to relay that information in the game thread goes unexplained. It becomes especially far-fetched when coupled with the fact that it was in response to you being talked about being blocked. Ah, I see what you were saying now. I originally read your statement as saying you’d have mentioned it here. Which seemed a little strange, even for you. > [@](#): > > 1. So, you contend that I might later claim a power, despite the fact that I’ve claimed a role that is publicly identified as being Vanilla. So, later, I’ll have to say that I lied? Not just about being of no import, but also of not being Tygra, who is of no special import. I don’t see Tygra as being identified as Vanilla, just as another possible Thundercat in the game. And take my wariness of you as a sign of respect: you’re one of the few players I think absolutely would phrase a Vanilla claim like that, and then later come back and say “no, I have a one-shot Watcher power and it shows that the claimed Cop lied when he said he investigated Giraffe.” Remember Dr. Seuss? > [@](#): > > 1. I was tied for the lead. I wasn’t tied for second. I was tied for the lead. There was a distinct possibility that I could be lynched. So I claimed. it’s what I do. > > 2. 24 hours to go, and I could conceivably be lynched even if I gained no more votes. Seemed like the time to claim to me. Maybe you wouldn’t have and would have just risked it. As I’ve said in my last post, it’s clearly a strategy that helps scum far more than it helps Town. If the vote were 6-4 with a few hours to go, claim away. But at 3-3-3, you’re either handing the scum free information and a chance to sway the lynch toward a power player / mason or you’re scum trying to save yourself. I think you’re too good a player to be doing the former, so my money is on the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/286 "2011-04-29T22:48:29Z")
**unvote** **vote maha** Leaning Town on Jimmy - as I mentioned before I don’t remember the main instigator of any of the previous “X must be lynched because his annoying/distracting play is anti-Town” flare-ups actually being scum. Maha’s vote on Jimmy seems (ironically) like an easy vote. Defending the unpopular kid is great fun as scum; lets you be all virtuous and claim vindication when the unpopular kid eventually flips Town despite your best efforts. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/287 "2011-04-29T22:51:46Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Well, the same thing as originally - I don’t get how that was going to start any conversations. **Giraffe** asked you directly about what you were trying to do and you didn’t even answer him. If when asked directly what I was doing, I staed that I was trying to start discussion and/or draw a night Kill, that would sort of defeat the purpose, no? I only did so now to explain myself and get all of the information out there in case I am lynched ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/288 "2011-04-29T22:54:02Z")
I find Giraffe’s case against Ed pretty bizarre. I also find it extremely unlikely that there are Town powers unmentioned in the setup thread. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/289 "2011-04-29T22:56:52Z")
Further on Ed, though: with one unique vanilla already dead, there’s not likely to be more than one out of three left in the game, IMO; two at the outside. One in three is not bad odds for a scum under pressure to take. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/290 "2011-04-29T23:01:43Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I don’t see Tygra as being identified as Vanilla, just as another possible Thundercat in the game. Wasn’t the a basis of your vote for me? > [@Giraffe](#): > > This caught my eye. Surely **ed** knows that we all know that proboards is the scum/mason board, right? So why reference it in the middle of a game Day? Is he scum, fishing for masons or trying to nudge an MIA scumbuddy who didn’t post last Night? Or is this just random game chatter? When I first saw this, I thought it was most likely that he was himself a mason, trying to drop a breadcrumb for his co-mason on how to get to proboards during the Day, but then he claimed Tygra so that’s out. > > Tygra strikes me as a good safe claim for scum – the setup thread lists it as a Thundercat that may optionally be included. So it’s got the cover of a named role, since you can make the “scum wouldn’t do that” argument about choosing a named role for a fake claim, but better than average odds that it wouldn’t be included in the game due to the lower than expected numbers. > > All in all, I have to say I’m now finding **ed** about as scummy as **Pleonast**. My case on **Pleonast** rests mostly on his anti-Town multivote (which he apparently does consistently, so it’s not itself a scum tell) and his Day one cheerleading, which is suspicious but not necessarily a strong scum tell. > > The only thing that’s holding me back from switching my vote is the fact that the last time I broke a tie at the last minute, I ended up lynching Town over scum and causing a cascade of well-deserved suspicion and mislynching that lost the game for Town. So I’m not exactly in love with my gut instincts right now… > > Ah, screw it. I’m not the only voter here – if my logic is bad, people can outvote me. > > **unvote Pleonast** > **vote special ed** That and the fact that I claimed when I was tied for the lynch lead. Also, note the underlined paragraph. To me, it almost looks like you’re saying, “In case I switched to lynch a Townie, don’t hold it against me…” Is that what you meant? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/291 "2011-04-29T23:47:32Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Wasn’t the a basis of your vote for me? No. Here’s what went down: 1. You claimed Tygra but didn’t explicitly say you were Vanilla, instead choosing to phrase it as having “no special import in the game”. 2. I found that slippery, wondering if you were scum leaving yourself wiggle room to later claim a weak power of some sort. 3. You respond to this by saying that Tygra is defined as a Vanilla role. 4. I point out that Tygra is not actually defined as Vanilla, but merely listed as another possible Thundercat who may be in the game. I only point this out to correct your assertion that it is Vanilla by definition. If it was Vanilla by definition, then you’d have a good counterargument against my assertion that your claim was oddly coy. The basis of my vote for you is a sum of several small things: acting weird earlier (which feels more like breadcrumbs for a future scum claim than Vanilla Town behavior) and both the coy phrasing and the pro-scum timing of your Tygra claim. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/292 "2011-04-30T00:16:51Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > So, you seem pretty strongly convinced that Mahaloth is scum, yet you put a one-off vote on me instead of him? Why wouldn’t you vote for the player you think is scum who has a better chance of actually getting lynched? So far I’m tied on you and Mahaloth. I’d be happy to see either of you get lynched. At the time of my vote, Mahaloth only had one vote, so another vote for him wouldn’t have done anything else. Instead, I mentioned that I’m okay with him getting lynched, and also voted you. At the end of the day, the final voting record will record that both Mahaloth and you were suspicious enough to someone to warrant a vote. Ed, I’m not sure about. He could be scum, he could not be. I don’t have a good feel one way or the other. I do feel he’s acted somewhat scummier than Jimmy, so I feel town would benefit most from an Ed lynch instead of a Jimmy lynch. So, while I support his lynch over Jimmy, I’d prefer you or Mahaloth over him. I want the record to show who I find scummiest, not who was most convenient for me to place my vote on. My willingness to switch my vote to Ed if need be is perfectly convenient with the logic I just outlined above. Do you have any other objections to my vote? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/293 "2011-04-30T00:18:31Z")
“Convenient” should have been “consistent” in the last paragraph of my above post. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/294 "2011-04-30T00:22:31Z")
Current vote tallies (with voter(s), in chronological order): \*\*Jimmy Chitwood: 3 (Mahaloth, Normal Phase, Inner Stickler) special ed: 3 (Pleonast, Hirka T’Bawa, Giraffe) \*\* Mahaloth: 2 (fubbleskag, Tom Scud) Pleonast: 2 (Jimmy Chitwood, special ed) Giraffe: 1 (Astral Rejection) Votes will be final when Day Two ends tomorrow on Saturday, 4/30 at 11am CST. Votes cast today, by player (in post number): 1. Astral Rejection: Giraffe (278) 2. Pleonast - special ed (144) 3. Hirka T’Bawa - special ed (224) 4. Mahaloth - [del]Hirka T’Bawa[/del] (168/169); Jimmy Chitwood (174) 5. Normal Phase - [del]Astral Rejection[/del] (175/208); Jimmy Chitwood (215) 6. special ed - [del]Jimmy Chitwood (187/195)[/del]; [del]Tom Scud[/del] (195/223); Pleonast (223) 7. Red Skeezix 8. Giraffe - [del]Pleonast[/del] (143/258); special ed (258) 9. Jimmy Chitwood - Pleonast (170) 10. fubbleskag - Mahaloth (260) 11. Tom Scud - [del]Mahaloth[/del] (177/194); [del]special ed[/del] (194/198); [del]Mahaloth[/del] (198/246); [del]special ed[/del] (246/286); Mahaloth (286) 12. Inner Stickler - Jimmy Chitwood (240) ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/295 "2011-04-30T01:04:52Z")
Well, I guess I’m still on the block. Here’s how I stand at present - I more or less have the same preferences as **Astral** , although 1. I get amazingly strong pro-town vibes from myself, and 2. I think I lean slightly more toward **Giraffe** than **Mahaloth** , but only slightly – that because **Giraffe** seems to keep pushing on increasingly diminishing returns, and that kind of doggedness doesn’t seem merited by the actual case. I really don’t like **Mahaloth** ’s apathetic, low-density play, same as I said earlier in the day, and I’ll vote him for that for now because it’ll at least bring him into the tie and provide the opportunity for those of us who aren’t sure about the motivations behind the **ed** vote to consolidate on an alternative. I don’t want to lynch **ed** , though I guess to save myself if it comes to it I’ll have to; I’ll have to try to check in late late tonight. It will be interesting to see what happens with those who haven’t participated yet. **Unvote Vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/296 "2011-04-30T01:15:01Z")
Jimmy, you do realize that Pleo will not shift his vote to you for self-preservation voting, right? And it won’t be a scum tell. It’s what he does. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/297 "2011-04-30T01:16:08Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I really don’t like **Mahaloth** ’s apathetic, low-density play, same as I said earlier in the day, and I’ll vote him for that for now What? I haven’t been apathetic. I don’t even know what you mean by low-density. What? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/298 "2011-04-30T01:22:44Z")
Great. A big tie vote total at the end of the Day. And we have one player that has not come in to vote. Real nice, folks. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/299 "2011-04-30T01:31:34Z")
Well, now my hands are "tied’. Seriously, though, I can not guarantee that I can be around at the end of the Day and I’ve been put in a position where extremely late votes(bad town play) has put me up for the lynch with little chance to check back in. So, I’m claiming. Heck, it’s a small game and our numbers are not that high, so I hope this helps. If it is a bad move, I apologize. Oh, and I now need to be protected at Night so I can survive. **I am Lion-O. I get to investigate each Night.** Night One- I investigated Tom(who I suspected on Day One). I was told that: > [@](#): > > The Sword of Omens gives you a vision of Tom Scud surrounded by a blue aura. You get the sense of Tom Scud being trustworthy. You’ll notice I never voted Tom on Day 2. So, everyone, unvote me and don’t vote for Tom. Oh, yeah, and Red, please come and play. **So, Pantho, or whomever our protector is, please protect me and so forth.** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thundercats-mafia-gameplay-thread-game-over/579228/300 "2011-04-30T01:34:07Z")
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