You still haven’t told us who is saying the things you claim in your OP. Also, there is a large portion of our population who isn’t necessarily patriotic, such as myself. I’m not proud to be an American, I’m lucky to be American. Lucky in that I was born into a first world country. Quite frankly, being born into Germany, Switzerland, England, Holland, France or any number of countries would have probably been just as pleasant, possibly even more so. With that said, do I count as part of the royal “We”?
DMC, I agree with everything you wrote. But I do agree with the OP that there has been something of a trend in recent years for many amateur historians (regular folks who are pretty well read and interested in history), and some professional historians, to point out that the US contribution has been overstated, at least on the sense that ordinary folks (mainly, but not just, in the US) tend to assume the full truth value of statements like “the Allies were losing, and then the US entered the war and then the Allies won, so you could say that, basically, the US won WW2.” Mainly, few ordinary Americans are fully aware of the Soviet sacrifice.
I don’t know if I do. Could you give me more false dilemmas to help convince me?
Of course, this “heavy lifting” was partially made possible by Allied (and especially American) supply efforts.
The Soviets put themselves in the position of having to shoulder a large burden by playing footsie with the Nazis for years before they were invaded (including shipping lots of valuable raw materials to Germany). Britain and France, of course, pushed Stalin towards an alliance with Germany by dithering over a mutual defense pact, believing that the Soviet Union wasn’t worth such an agreement.
Britain and France deserve criticism for not putting a halt to Hitler’s ambitions years before WWII started, when it would have been relatively easy to do so.
America can be criticized for isolationism and complacency.
Or we can drop all this retrospective crap, and play what-ifs with WWI - it’s the big anniversary celebration, after all.
And let’s not forget that the USSR didn’t join the war against Germany until six months before the US did, after Germany broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact - which allowed the dividing up of Eastern Europe between the Germans and the Soviets - and invaded.
I don’t recall voting for you.
“Sanctimonious” is a choice word uttered by someone who holds undue reverence for an abstract concept, and refers to those who don’t share the delusion as “evil”
Yes, my objection to people who want to break up the country so they and perpetuate a system that lets them own other people makes ME the evil one.
… seriously?
Why, “they” are, of course. Don’t be ignorant. It’s “people”. Top. . .people.
My response to such alleged people: The USSR is so glorious that it doesn’t even exist anymore.
I have witnessed what the op is referring to, though not in a long time and yes it was annoying.
You know who else invaded Poland?
Me. While playing Risk, anyway.
I don’t know what’s weirder, the OP taking offense over attacks against poor neglected America’s contributions to the war or all the people acting confused about what he’s even talking about. Like the idea that the European war was mostly Germany vs. the USSR and that America’s main contribution was mostly making sure the Soviets didn’t keep marching to the Atlantic is some fresh new zany idea the OP cooked up in a fever dream.
Well, I guess the “we” stuff might top it. Good try at the consciousness raising, but it ain’t gonna work. Humans are too tribal, they identify with their masters. You may as well go into a sports forum and try to stop fans from saying “we.” Do you play for the Bulls, asshole?! They’re millionaires who work for billionaires who don’t give a flying fuck about you. Yeah, good luck with that.
I guess it’s an interesting change from Hollywood writing the other Allies out of WWII and replacing them with Americans.
I remember a US TV show called The Rat Patrol when I was a kid. In a nod to the fact the Desert Rats were a commonwealth thing there was one Englishman in the crew.
I just hope when Hollywood eventually gets round to doing The Battle of Britain there’ll be the odd Brit featured somewhere.
snerk
Probably playing the famous German WW 2 fighter ace, Baron Von Richthoven.
― Winston Churchill