# Tiger is back. all Hail tiger **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 5, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614 "2011-08-05T17:38:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/201 "2012-04-09T18:52:59Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > For the record, Tiger went 3-1-0, and nobody on either team did better. . 3 wins were against the Euro Scrimmage team. Wins against Poulter/Fisher (and Stricker carried the load) Jimenez/Hanson Molinari Had the worst lost of the 2010 Matches when Woods/Stricker played A-Team of Donald/Westwood. Losing 7&6. on the 12th green. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/202 "2012-04-09T21:47:48Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > 3 wins were against the Euro Scrimmage team. Geez, you’d complain if you were hung with a new rope. At the Ryder Cup, the Captains don’t know what the opposing lineup is. All the players can do is beat whomever they are playing, and Tiger did it as well as anyone, and better than all but a couple or three. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/203 "2012-04-09T22:38:18Z")
You are saying that Tiger 2010 record was impressive. if you look at the W/L record and only the W/L record you would be correct. But the devil is the details. Look at Hole 12 in this play by play in the [Fisher/Poulter match:](http://www.rydercup.com/2010/usa/scoring/scorecards/index.cfm?id=1_3) [QUOTE=2010\_RyderCup] Stricker is carrying US in this match, outstanding winner [/QUOTE] the fact is, that Tiger/Stricker got the luck of the draw, drawing the Euro Weaker teams in Session 1 and 2. and then when they played the A-Team, they got waxed 7/6 And F. Molinari was ranked well into the 30’s, his singles match. Stricker carried him in the fourball (remember the chunk wedge with Cigar guy on 18) Woods did play well in the Singles, but that is one match, against player who was like a deer in the Headlights guy. Out of his element. the fact is that since TW became a pro, the US Ryder cup team is 1-5 with him on the team and 1-0 without him on the team. And the one win was a miracle comeback win in 1999. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/204 "2012-04-09T23:24:11Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > You are saying that Tiger 2010 record was impressive. if you look at the W/L record and only the W/L record you would be correct. Since the W/L record and only the W/L record is relevant to whether he is the reason we lost, I accept your apology. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/205 "2012-04-09T23:52:56Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > the fact is, that Tiger/Stricker got the luck of the draw, drawing the Euro Weaker teams in Session 1 and 2. and then when they played the A-Team, they got waxed 7/6 That was Pavin’s screwup. The guy did nothing right – couldn’t rent a plane that held the whole team, couldn’t get rainsuits that repelled rain, picked Ricky Bieber (which probably cost us the Cup), and last but not least, put Tiger/Stricker out in foursomes instead of fourball, when he had the choice. Everybody knew that Tiger’s driver was erratic, and fourball would have been a much better choice. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/206 "2012-04-10T00:27:13Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Since the W/L record and only the W/L record is relevant to whether he is the reason we lost, I accept your apology. The only really relevant statistics is that in: 1997: US Lost the Ryder Cup 1999: US Won the Ryder Cup 2002: US Lost the Ryder Cup 2004: US Lost the Ryder Cup 2006: US Lost the Ryder Cup 2008: US Won the Ryder Cup (Tiger was not on the team) 2010: US Lost the Ryder Cup it doesn’t matter what the individuals do, the team Lost in 1997, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2010 with Tiger on the team and won in 2008 w/o Tiger on the team. It is all about the team, and Tiger partnered with the healthiest, highest ranked player available in 2010. What is best for Tiger is not necessarily best for the US team. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/207 "2012-04-10T00:28:31Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Everybody knew that Tiger’s driver was erratic, and fourball would have been a much better choice. Seven and Six ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/208 "2012-04-10T02:23:05Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > it doesn’t matter what the individuals do, the team Lost in 1997, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2010 with Tiger on the team and won in 2008 w/o Tiger on the team. Seriously, now. All kidding aside. Do you really want me, and much more importantly, the other readers of this board, to judge your capacity for logical reasoning and objectivity by your assertion that Tiger’s presence caused the US Ryder Cup team to lose those years, and his absence in 2008 caused the win? Or was even an important factor in either case? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/209 "2012-06-03T21:23:16Z")
Is this finally the tourney Tiger wins with a large respectable field? That chip was ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/210 "2012-06-03T21:45:40Z")
A nice coincidence to tie Jack for tour victories at Jack’s tourney. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/211 "2012-06-03T23:21:50Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Is this finally the tourney Tiger wins with a large respectable field? That chip was ridiculous. Bay Hill had a large respectable field. This week’s field was extremely strong, probably in the top three of the year for a regular PGA event. And Fowler is lucky he won at Quail Hollow, or I would taunt him a second time about shooting 84 today. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/212 "2012-06-04T00:05:30Z")
Is he back to banging 4 different women per week? Maybe that’s what his game needed. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/213 "2012-06-04T00:09:43Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Is he back to banging 4 different women per week? Maybe that’s what his game needed. I doubt it, or (ahem) I’d win the US Open. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/214 "2012-06-04T00:15:26Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I doubt it, or (ahem) I’d win the US Open. ::golf clap:: ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/215 "2012-06-04T01:46:01Z")
Meanwhile, Tiger’s agent, and the one important person in his entourage who he hasn’t fired post-fire hydrant, got busted Saturday for DWI outside of New York City. Blood Alcohol Content = 0.18, and 0.08 is the legal limit. 0.18 is enough for aggravated DWI in the state of New York. Mark Steinberg, in an email to Bloomberg, said: > [@](#): > > “it’s a medical issue that I was dealing with. It’s not what you think.” I have heard of Medical Marijuana, but Medical Martinis? Its a new one on me. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/216 "2012-06-04T02:04:52Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > “it’s a medical issue that I was dealing with.” Snakebite? ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/217 "2012-06-04T02:11:16Z")
Methanol poisoning? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/218 "2012-06-07T00:57:17Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Is he back to banging 4 different women per week? Maybe that’s what his game needed. Yeah-it helps to get his putter to rise. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/219 "2012-07-02T01:24:53Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > The difference in the President’s Cup was Couples selecting Tiger vs. Norman selecting Allenby. Stricker was awful in the first foresomes match - it wasn’t Tigers fault they lost so badly. > > He is totally back, his shots are crisp and clean, and his putting was extremely good. His length was perfect and his line was just off on some of the nastiest greens on the planet. > > He’ll win at least three tourneys next year, and at least one of them will be a major. Just put him back on some familiar greens. Well, he’s got the three wins, just need a major now. The Open is at Royal Lytham and St. Anne’s and the PGA is at Kiawah Island. I’m not sure either course suits Tiger’s game, but I don’t think they are bad news for him, either. He probably won’t ever use his driver in the Open, with a short course full of bunkers. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614/220 "2012-07-03T02:35:18Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Right now, Tiger is clearly the best American golfer. His official ranking is 0.12 behind Stricker, but that is based on the last two years. A shorter window, or even a divisor based on the actual number of events played, would put him fourth in the world, after Rory, Luke, and Lee. I will happily concede that he has yet to prove that he is better than the top Euros, but even if you don’t think he will do that in the next few months, as I do, it makes no sense to say he’s “just another golfer,” when he’s probably no worse than the third best in the world, and provably no worse than fourth. And now I think it’s safe to say that Tiger is clearly the best golfer in the world. His actual world ranking is #4, but it would be #2 if not for the minimum divisor, and it would be #1 based on the last six months. Year to date, he leads in earnings, scoring average, FedEx points, and WGR points — well ahead of #2 Rory **MC** ilroy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-is-back-all-hail-tiger/591614.md?page=12)