# Tiger Woods injured **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 27, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163 "2009-11-27T19:39:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/181 "2009-12-01T15:17:25Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Dunno about that: if his wife did assault him, the cops may lay charges and in that case it will not blow over. I’m not a criminal lawyer, but doesn’t there usually have to be a complaining witness in such situations? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/182 "2009-12-01T15:23:11Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > You mean injured to the point where you are lying in the street drifting in and out of consciousness? His only lingering injuries appear to be some cuts to his face, and I think those are explainable by the accident itself. I’ve never been hit in the head with a golf club, but I think the injuries would be worse. There may have been violence here but I don’t think it’s required. To me, it’s just as plausible that they argued and he went to leave the house. I’m not sure it counts as domestic violence if she only took a club to his car. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/183 "2009-12-01T15:24:21Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > With nobody talking, what would be the point of filing charges? No way in hell there would be enough to convict anyone. Isn’t this a very common occurance in domestic abuse cases? I dunno what the typical police MO is, but I understand the modern trend is not to simply drop the matter if the parties refuse to talk, where there exists other evidence that an assault has occurred - such as injuries that do not correspond to the account of what happened provided by the victim/alleged perp. Maybe someone more familiar with police matters can weigh in on this point. From what I’ve read, the cops are said to be considering charges, trying to get access to medical records, etc. in this case. Though reading this article, it would appear that some Florida lawyers are of the opinion that the silent treatment _will_ work in this case: [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/01/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main5848386.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/01/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main5848386.shtml) … so you could be 100% correct. It will be interesting to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/184 "2009-12-01T15:28:56Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’m not a criminal lawyer, but doesn’t there usually have to be a complaining witness in such situations? I dunno. I’m also not a criminal lawyer (and certainly not a Florida criminal lawyer), but I do vaguely recall that this issue is hot stuff in the field of domestic assaults - the alleged victim frequently refuses to testify, invents an implausible story about how s/he was injured, etc. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/185 "2009-12-01T15:30:56Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Timed out… > > Who was it, ESPN(?) that mentioned yesterday that while we as a public look down with some distaste upon our heroes that philander, it pales in comparison with how we view those that aren’t honest with us. I think that would more accurately read “…while we **in the press** …” Hell hath no fury like a reporter scorned. > [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’m not a criminal lawyer, but doesn’t there usually have to be a complaining witness in such situations? No, not in Florida. [This article](http://www.slate.com/id/2236957/) has interesting details on domestic violence laws in Florida. Essentially the law is that if there is a good reason to suspect that there was domestic violence they have to arrest someone. That said, I’m sure that without someone cooperating a conviction would be very difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/186 "2009-12-01T15:33:16Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > I think that would more accurately read “…while we **in the press** …” Hell hath no fury like a reporter scorned. > > No, not in Florida. [This article](http://www.slate.com/id/2236957/) has interesting details on domestic violence laws in Florida. Essentially the law is that if there is a good reason to suspect that there was domestic violence they have to arrest someone. > > That said, I’m sure that without someone cooperating a conviction would be very difficult. Thanks, that’s exactly what I was thinking of. > [@](#): > > In 1991, Florida became one of many states to set up a pro-arrest policy in domestic-violence cases. For years, feminist advocates had complained that police treated domestic-violence cases as private, family matters and assumed the abused spouse would never follow through and press charges. Beginning in the 1990s, laws began virtually to force the police to take action. The new statutes direct police to figure out who was the “primary aggressor” in a domestic dispute. They make a call based on a checklist (bruises, disparity of physical size), and then they make an arrest. Howls of protest from the abused spouse are to be ignored: “The decision to arrest and charge shall not require the consent of the victim or consideration of the relationship of the parties,” the Florida law reads. ---
**Author:** ![MoodIndigo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@MoodIndigo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoodIndigo1)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/187 "2009-12-01T15:33:25Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > The last part doesn’t make any sense. All he would have to do is cancel his appearances & keep his face hidden for a few weeks. Staging an accident that would make everything public would be a really dumb idea. Well, as he cancelled his appearance at his own tournament, and as he’s cancelled the press conference he had scheduled for today… ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/188 "2009-12-01T16:02:20Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > I think that would more accurately read “…while we **in the press** …” Hell hath no fury like a reporter scorned. A good point and one that resonates relatively well with me since the incident does little more than tell me hey, they’re human and when will the front page get back to the news that actually matters? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/189 "2009-12-01T18:11:12Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > No, not in Florida. [This article](http://www.slate.com/id/2236957/) has interesting details on domestic violence laws in Florida. Essentially the law is that if there is a good reason to suspect that there was domestic violence they have to arrest someone. > > That said, I’m sure that without someone cooperating a conviction would be very difficult. I’m familiar with that policy, but it’s a “you may beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride” strategy, and as the article noted, the police took it on themselves to do this under pressure from the feminist groups. It is a waste of resources because all you do is throw the man in jail for a night and then not file charges because you can’t sustain a conviction without a complaining witness. In this case, you would have Tiger with bruises. Who will get on the witness stand to verify that they came from his wife? For all the cops know, I was up there that night and hit Tiger. [QUOTE=Malthus] I’m not sure it counts as domestic violence if she only took a club to his car. [/QUOTE] Maybe someone else can chime in but I believe that it IS. Most state laws read something like “put a person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm”. So punching the wall, kicking down a door, etc. even though there is no direct physical contact still counts. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/190 "2009-12-01T19:22:19Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > Maybe someone else can chime in but I believe that it IS. Most state laws read something like “put a person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm”. So punching the wall, kicking down a door, etc. even though there is no direct physical contact still counts. I would think that would especially be the case if she did something like threw the club at the car as he was driving it. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/191 "2009-12-01T20:01:04Z")
Check out this hyper-realisitc [re-enactment](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i5FlC1MpkE&feature=player_embedded) from China. Quite humorous. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/192 "2009-12-01T20:05:57Z")
Florida Highway Patrol gave him a ticket for careless driving. They are not going farther. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/193 "2009-12-01T20:09:53Z")
Thanks for the info on domestic violence law. I would be surprised, however, to learn that it was often used to accuse wives of battering their husbands - and even less so as the family’s income level increases. I guess we see what it takes for a golf-related thread to be successful around here! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/194 "2009-12-01T20:13:17Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Florida Highway Patrol gave him a ticket for careless driving. They are not going farther. A careless driving ticket for as much as $164. I bet he regrets pulling out of his tournament now - where is he going to come up with _that_ kind of scratch? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/195 "2009-12-01T20:24:28Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Florida Highway Patrol gave him a ticket for careless driving. They are not going farther. That showed him a thing or two. Didn’t it? 😃 Now maybe those idiots at cnn can cover some real news for a change. Like the troop buildup or our economy. Nope, they’ll go back to following Palin’s book tour. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/196 "2009-12-01T20:41:26Z")
Horrible headline: “Tight-lipped Tiger not out of the woods yet‎.” Oh, Star Tribune, you’re terrible. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/197 "2009-12-01T20:48:48Z")
A citation for driving on a private road that is not open to the public, and is behind a security gate? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/198 "2009-12-01T20:51:18Z")
[Here](http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=4704066)’s the ESPN story. Warning : A video with sound will load a few seconds after you click. The story is in text as well. [QUOTE=jtgain] A citation for driving on a private road that is not open to the public, and is behind a security gate? [/QUOTE] Why not? Why wouldn’t traffic laws apply there? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/199 "2009-12-01T20:54:40Z")
They do? If I drove my car around the back yard of my mansion and crashed into one of my marble statues, I could get a traffic citation? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/200 "2009-12-01T20:58:00Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > They do? If I drove my car around the back yard of my mansion and crashed into one of my marble statues, I could get a traffic citation? Doubtful. But yards aren’t roads. I know of nowhere that traffic laws apply to yards. Is there much traffic in your back yard? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163.md?page=11)