# Tiger Woods injured **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 27, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163 "2009-11-27T19:39:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/421 "2009-12-09T18:57:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The pressure of trying to keep all this stuff hidden is now gone. He might be more relaxed on the course in the future. That or his balls will be so blue he’ll leave divots even with his putter. I believe Tiger’s season usually starts at Torrey Pines, late January. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/422 "2009-12-09T19:11:43Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Man, you just posted that last response to brag about your 3 hcp! 😉 Yeah, I guess I typed it twice. oops. Did I mention that I have 5 holes-in-one? Really, I do. I got the bar tabs as evidence! ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/423 "2009-12-09T21:03:01Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Yeah, I guess I typed it twice. oops. Did I mention that I have 5 holes-in-one? Really, I do. I got the bar tabs as evidence! Putt putt doesn’t count. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/424 "2009-12-10T02:01:27Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Don’t they tee off in Hawaii the 2d week in January? > > I may be old and my memory may be fading, but I think I can keep it together during this lengthy of-season! 😉 Not Tiger. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/425 "2009-12-10T12:48:51Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > You have a strange idea of what constitutes a sport. As well as being completely wrong about what pro golfers do with regard to commitment and preparation. Oxford Dictionary definition: sport / spôrt/ • n. 1. an activity involving \*\*physical exertion \*\*and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment: team sports such as baseball and soccer Bolding mine. Golf is not a sport, it is a game. The fact that millions play it as a game/hobby does not make it a sport. The fact that it requires skill does not make it a sport. Lots of people play darts, poker, chess, and bowling - they all require skill, but no one considers them ‘sports’. When a 60-year old player damn near wins the biggest tournament in the country…then golf can no longer consider itself a sport. ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/426 "2009-12-10T12:57:24Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Oxford Dictionary definition: > sport / spôrt/ > • n. 1. an activity involving \*\*physical exertion \*\*and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment: team sports such as baseball and soccer > > Bolding mine. Golf is not a sport, it is a game. The fact that millions play it as a game/hobby does not make it a sport. The fact that it requires skill does not make it a sport. Lots of people play darts, poker, chess, and bowling - they all require skill, but no one considers them ‘sports’. > > When a 60-year old player damn near wins the biggest tournament in the country…then golf can no longer consider itself a sport. Have you ever seen Tiger hit a drive? Do you not think that involves physical exertion? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/427 "2009-12-10T12:57:37Z")
So you think that golf requires no physical exertion, and 60-year olds cannot excel at any sport? I don’t think you will find support for either of those propositions. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/428 "2009-12-10T15:02:30Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Oxford Dictionary definition: > sport / spôrt/ > • n. 1. an activity involving \*\*physical exertion \*\*and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment: By that definition, a circle jerk is a sport. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/429 "2009-12-10T16:31:27Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > By that definition, a circle jerk is a sport. I’m surprised this sport isn’t more popular. The barrier to entry is nil as you are born with the equipment. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/430 "2009-12-10T16:54:07Z")
It would be banned as being discriminatory to women. 😉 Golf most decidedly involves physical exertion. That’s true even if you do get to use carts. For the pros, who don’t (except on the senior tours), it’s quite a bit of exertion, potentially. Ask Ken Venturi. 😉 By the way, I defy anyone to bowl a set of 8 games, and do that twice in a day, and then say bowling does not involve physical exertion. ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/431 "2009-12-10T17:14:34Z")
I am Tiger Woods. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/432 "2009-12-10T18:21:26Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > By the way, I defy anyone to bowl a set of 8 games, and do that twice in a day, and then say bowling does not involve physical exertion. 160 frames a day? Are you serious? Of course thats a workout! I’ve gotten blisters after 30 frames! ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/433 "2009-12-10T18:39:36Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So you think that golf requires no physical exertion, and 60-year olds cannot excel at any sport? I don’t think you will find support for either of those propositions. Excel? Sure, they can excel - against people in their age group, for example. But how many 60-year olds do you see in top-level baseball/football/soccer/tennis/swimming/cycling/rugby/boxing etc? Do you know anyone even in their 50s? I’ve seen Tiger hit a drive (I have family near Hazeltine). He certainly has skill. But I can hit a golf ball too. I’ve played rounds of golf. Hitting a motionless ball and walking does not count as ‘physical exertion’. Breathing takes _some_ physical exertion, but breathing wouldn’t be considered a sport: the level of physical exertion needed is so low, anyone can do it. Ditto with golf. Skill is the decider for golf, not the level of physical exertion. Golf is great as a game. It’s just not a sport. BTW, circle jerking isn’t a sport because the level of skill needed is so low (anyone with the equipment can do it 😃 ) Ever ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/434 "2009-12-10T19:05:06Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Excel? Sure, they can excel - against people in their age group, for example. But how many 60-year olds do you see in top-level baseball/football/soccer/tennis/swimming/cycling/rugby/boxing etc? Do you know anyone even in their 50s? You know there is a flipside here. In some of the other endeavors you list, it is quite common for teenagers to compete - and excel. Whereas in golf it is (not checking any record books) quite unusual for someone under 20 to win a PGA event. How demanding can an activity be if a kid can be the best in the world a la Chris Evert, many swimmers and gymnasts, straight from high school NBAers, etc.? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/435 "2009-12-10T19:30:38Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Excel? Sure, they can excel - against people in their age group, for example. But how many 60-year olds do you see in top-level baseball/football/soccer/tennis/swimming/cycling/rugby/boxing etc? Do you know anyone even in their 50s? > > I’ve seen Tiger hit a drive (I have family near Hazeltine). He certainly has skill. But I can hit a golf ball too. I’ve played rounds of golf. Hitting a motionless ball and walking does not count as ‘physical exertion’. Breathing takes _some_ physical exertion, but breathing wouldn’t be considered a sport: the level of physical exertion needed is so low, anyone can do it. Ditto with golf. Skill is the decider for golf, not the level of physical exertion. Golf is great as a game. It’s just not a sport. > > BTW, circle jerking isn’t a sport because the level of skill needed is so low (anyone with the equipment can do it 😃 ) > > Ever Is billiards officially a sport? ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/436 "2009-12-10T20:30:59Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Is billiards officially a sport? Nope. It’s a game. Just like darts, poker, chess, etc. Doesn’t mean it can’t be competitive. Just means it ain’t a sport. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/437 "2009-12-10T20:37:53Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > You know there is a flipside here. In some of the other endeavors you list, it is quite common for teenagers to compete - and excel. Whereas in golf it is (not checking any record books) quite unusual for someone under 20 to win a PGA event. > > How demanding can an activity be if a kid can be the best in the world a la Chris Evert, many swimmers and gymnasts, straight from high school NBAers, etc.? 😉 Huh? Teenagers have way more energy (and, in the case of gymnastics, flexibility and (probably) lack of a fear of falling!) then someone in their 30s. Heck, in most professional sports, athletes in their late 20s are considered either in or past their prime. Agassi was, I believe, the oldest player to be No. 1 at like 33 or something. Teenagers don’t win big tournaments/matches most of the time mainly due to nerves and lack of experience - it’s rarely because they were ‘too young’ to keep up physically with their older opponents. And golf has had teenage winners - for a major championship I think the record is 19 for the men and 18 for the women. ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/438 "2009-12-10T20:48:57Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > I’ve seen Tiger hit a drive (I have family near Hazeltine). He certainly has skill. But I can hit a golf ball too. 350 yards? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/439 "2009-12-10T20:49:38Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Dude, it’s golf. Not football, or hockey, the Olympics Interesting that you put it this way, since golf is an olympic sport now :). People argue about what constitutes a sport all the time, and people have different criteria. At least the consensus seems to be that golf is a sport, since it’s covered by all the major sports media and so on. ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiger-woods-injured/519163/440 "2009-12-10T20:49:57Z")
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