# Tiger's apology on TV **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 19, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637 "2010-02-19T16:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/41 "2010-02-19T17:36:38Z")
His wife could decide to go on tour with him , the kids are not in school yet. And even when they hit school age they could homeschool them on the road. I am pretty sure there are golfers who are on the road with their family. ---
**Author:** ![cmosdes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cmosdes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmosdes)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/42 "2010-02-19T17:50:17Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > It’s not \*my \*problem… I am more impressed by Tiger’s ability to juggle 13+ women, his wife, and play golf on a different plane than the rest of the world. As soon as he’s back on tour, he’s going to be getting whoever he wants again. He’ll just be smarter about it. I agree. I was just trying to make a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/43 "2010-02-19T17:56:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In Therevada Buddhism, it doesn’t. > > Wrongful action, according to at least this flavor of Buddhism, harm your karma. There is no sentient power to “forgive” you; the karmic harm you have done can only be repaired, if at all, by acts which strengthen your karmic standing. > > Of course, the punishment for poor karma is found in the fact that you must continue to endure the cycle of rebirth, and possibly endure trying circumstances in your next rebirth. The Buddha speaks of someone being reborn with withered hand or arm, or limping, lame, or stunned, as possible consequences. Neither karma or reincarnation are necessary beliefs in Buddhism. You’re describing Hinduism more than Buddhism. Buddha himself refused to ever say anything about the nature of reincarnation, and sometimes seemed to deny that it existed at all (at least not in the sense of a single, surviving consciousness. He likened it mor to lighting one candle with another). Buddhism has no concept of “sin,” or any need for any divine “redemtion,” so it’s kind of empty point to say that Buddhism doesn’t have a solution to a dilemma it doesn’t recognize as existing. What Buddhism does have is the idea that “redemption” (for lack of a better word) can be accessed by practicing forgiveness and “loving kindness” towards others (sound familiar). In Buddhism, redemption is something you actually have to earn by being good to others, and changing your personality, it’s not something you can just ask a god for and be don with it. Forgiveness is something that can only be given by people you have wronged. That right of forgiveness does not belong to gods. Brit Hume’s argument is essentially tautological and obliviously ethnocentric. Basically he’s asserting that only Christian theology has a Christian theology. Whoop-de-doo. The thing that he’s missing is that he’s appying a religious diagnosis to Tiger (he needs divine “redemption”). That diagnosis in itself is predicated on the presumption that Christian theology is true. It’s no different than a Scentologist saying that only Scientology can get rid of his engrams. It’s stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/44 "2010-02-19T18:07:47Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Only if you live in the public eye and have a multitude of companies giving you a shit ton of money to portray a specific image. An image that does not coincide with certain methods of screwing up your persona life. > > If that’s you, then it might be in your best interest to apologize on national TV yes. Was Tiger’s specific image really that wrapped up in his fidelity to his wife? I didn’t even know he was married until the recent kurfuffle, so to me at least it seems sort weird to say that, but then I didn’t follow him as closely as many did, so maybe I’m wrong. If he was a religious figure, or someone that spent a lot of time in public moralizing or talking up how great married life was, or he received sponsership money to sell products that were related to marriage and fideltiy, then I think it would make more sense. > [@zoid](#): > > Why, do you need to get something off you chest? Well, that’s why I ask. I’ve got enough past screw-ups to fill my own mini-series. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/45 "2010-02-19T18:11:36Z")
His family were often there on TV when he won his big tourneys. Before he was married you saw his parents on TV a lot at tourneys. His mother still shows up now but not as often. But he never used his wife or kids in any ads. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/46 "2010-02-19T18:20:56Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Was Tiger’s specific image really that wrapped up in his fidelity to his wife? I didn’t even know he was married until the recent kurfuffle, so to me at least it seems sort weird to say that, but then I didn’t follow him as closely as many did, so maybe I’m wrong. Well the amount I follow golf at all is pretty much nonexistant, so I’m not the most qualified person here to be talking about his image, but I am under the belief that for the people who do follow golf and Tiger more closely that his image is kind of sort of wrapped up in being a “wholesome” guy. EDIT: What **Bijou** said. So yes apparently being a wholesome family man was part of his image. > [@](#): > > If he was a religious figure, or someone that spent a lot of time in public moralizing or talking up how great married life was, or he received sponsership money to sell products that were related to marriage and fideltiy, then I think it would make more sense. Yes I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/47 "2010-02-19T18:33:17Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Neither karma or reincarnation are necessary beliefs in Buddhism. You’re describing Hinduism more than Buddhism. Buddha himself refused to ever say anything about the nature of reincarnation, and sometimes seemed to deny that it existed at all (at least not in the sense of a single, surviving consciousness. He likened it mor to lighting one candle with another). To most people in the west, the difference between reincarnation and transmigration (which the Buddha does spend quite a bit of time talking about) are somewhat trivial. Brit Hume is a special kind of idiot, but it’s not exactly crazy to confuse Buddhist and Hindu beliefs here. To most people, even Buddhists and Hindus, whether reincarnation flows from Atman and Jiva or not is somewhat academic. You’re still coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/48 "2010-02-19T18:40:07Z")
Tiger’s marriage was a big deal in the media because his wife is such a beauty, she was a model for a while. He met her because she was a nanny for another golfer on the tour. When all this came out the other golfer said he wished they had never met. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/49 "2010-02-19T18:43:31Z")
About time the Tigers apologized for their horrible play of late. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/50 "2010-02-19T18:56:51Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I also liked that he referenced Buddhism as the faith he was leaning on. It’s refreshing to hear somebody trying to rehab a public image talk about something other than Jesus Christ for once (and I wonder if that was a subtle little dig at Britt Hume). With everything he has to worry about, I doubt it. Not everyone obsesses about FoxNews like people on this MB. I thought it was OK. I didn’t like the part where he yelled at the press-- he’s no one to lecture. I only really care about when he’s going to be back on tour, and that remains unanswered. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/51 "2010-02-19T18:59:46Z")
I would think part of rehab is not to rush back into the environment where you had problems. For him that’s traveling on tour. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/52 "2010-02-19T19:01:40Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > With everything he has to worry about, I doubt it. Not everyone obsesses about FoxNews like people on this MB. > > I thought it was OK. I didn’t like the part where he yelled at the press-- he’s no one to lecture. I only really care about when he’s going to be back on tour, and that remains unanswered. It’s not about “obsessing about Fox News.” We’re not talking about getting upset at some stupid thing Beck said. It was someone calling him out specifically and personally to piss on his religion. It wouldn’t be “obsessive” for him to respond to it What do you mean, “he’s no one to lecture?” Why not? Why doesn’t he have the right to be angry about people stalking his children? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/53 "2010-02-19T19:04:43Z")
I’m sure you can fit what Hume knows about Buddhism or Hinduism on the head of a pin. But the same is true of 95% of Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/54 "2010-02-19T19:05:18Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I would think part of rehab is not to rush back into the environment where you had problems. For him that’s traveling on tour. Tiger hasn’t really “toured,” as such, in years. He plays the Majors and few select tourneys, but he doesn’t actually have to slog around on the tour like the rest of the Not-Tigers. He can bring his family to any event he wants to play in. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/55 "2010-02-19T19:08:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Tiger hasn’t really “toured,” as such, in years. He plays the Majors and few select tourneys, but he doesn’t actually have to slog around on the tour like the rest of the Not-Tigers. He can bring his family to any event he wants to play in. He plays about 17 tournaments a year, of which 4 are majors. That’s still a lot of touring-- ie, being away from home. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/56 "2010-02-19T19:09:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s not about “obsessing about Fox News.” We’re not talking about getting upset at some stupid thing Beck said. It was someone calling him out specifically and personally to piss on his religion. It wouldn’t be “obsessive” for him to respond to it Yeah, whatever. I’m sure it’s something important enough for him to make sure it gets in to this speech. > [@](#): > > What do you mean, “he’s no one to lecture?” Why not? Why doesn’t he have the right to be angry about people stalking his children? He fucked up. If he hadn’t fucked up, they wouldn’t have done it. He should concentrate on his apology. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/57 "2010-02-19T19:13:56Z")
That’s victim blaming. It’s not his fault if people stalk his kids. How about some personal responsibility for the stalkers here? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/58 "2010-02-19T19:18:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That’s victim blaming. It’s not his fault if people stalk his kids. How about some personal responsibility for the stalkers here? They can make their own apology. To me it looked like trying to deflect attention away from him. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/59 "2010-02-19T19:28:12Z")
It looked to me like he was trying to deflect attention away from his wife and kids. He was saying. I did this, not them. Leave THEM alone." He never said “don’t pay attention to ME,” he was telling them not follow his kids to school. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637/60 "2010-02-19T19:31:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It looked to me like he was trying to deflect attention away from his wife and kids. False dichotomy. > [@](#): > > He was saying. I did this, not them. Leave THEM alone." He never said “don’t pay attention to ME,” he was telling them not follow his kids to school. Of course he never said that. The apology should be about himself and what he’s done to his family. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tigers-apology-on-tv/529637.md?page=4)