# TIL from Eternals that DC characters exist in the Marvel Universe. Are they "real" people/superheroes in Marvel or fictional?

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Dave Cockrum, who was an artist for DC’s _Legion of Super-Heroes,_ came over to Marvel in the mid-70s and did a pastiche of that group for the revitalized _X-Men_ called The Imperial Guard. As powerful as that group was, they came off as nearly incompetent as the Legion.

Cockrum had in fact created Nightcrawler, a star of the new X-Men, as a Legion member, but the editors at DC nixed it. One man’s trash…

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