# Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland (2010) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182 "2008-05-22T01:08:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/61 "2009-01-18T16:51:37Z")
Thanks for the suggestion! I will. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/62 "2009-01-18T18:45:28Z")
> [@Walloon](#): > > If you read the books, read the splendidly [annotated version](http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Alice-Definitive-Lewis-Carroll/dp/0393048470/) edited by Martin Gardner. HA! Just scored the last used copy from Powell’s–thanks for the tip! One of my greatest surprise treats was coincidentally arriving at the Bodleian Library when they had a display of original manuscript pages of _Alice_ and original Tenniel drawings as well as other cool stuff–my husband thought he’d NEVER get me out of there! ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/63 "2009-06-22T15:33:22Z")
Thought I’d revive this old thread to post [a link to some early images](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/johnny-depp-as-mad-hatter_n_218747.html)from this production. Great looking pics of Depp, Carter, and Hathaway in costume, as well as a shot of Alice in the rose garden. Looks incredible. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/64 "2009-06-22T15:41:55Z")
It sounds from the casting character list that they’re mixing the two books up a bit. I’ve seen commentary online that they’re considering this a “sequel” of sorts to the 1953 Disney version, so I’m guessing the storyline is going to be “Looking-Glass”, but I don’t know where the Cheshire Cat and the Caterpillar fit into a Looking-Glass narrative. The Hatter fits because he’s one of the Anglo-Saxon couriers (along with the March Hare). And it seems like there are a lot of pre- or post-fantasy England scenes (or at least one large one), with all the lords and ladies and such. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/65 "2009-06-22T17:57:01Z")
That photo of Helena Bonham-Carter is amazing. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/66 "2009-06-22T18:09:09Z")
The characters certainly look great. I quite like Tim Burton, but i thought Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was possibly the most pointless remake in the history of film. While i love Johnny Depp, and i thought his Willy Wonka was excellent, both he and the film suffered because the visual splendor and the darkness that distinguish Burton films was already right there, in the original with Gene Wilder. The new movie added absolutely nothing that you couldn’t have gotten from watching the first one, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/67 "2009-06-22T19:57:26Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > The characters certainly look great. > > I quite like Tim Burton, but i thought Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was possibly the most pointless remake in the history of film. While i love Johnny Depp, and i thought his Willy Wonka was excellent, both he and the film suffered because the visual splendor and the darkness that distinguish Burton films was already right there, in the original with Gene Wilder. The new movie added absolutely nothing that you couldn’t have gotten from watching the first one, IMO. It was certainly more useful a remake than Planet of the Apes. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Woodhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Miss\_Woodhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Woodhouse)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/68 "2009-06-22T20:32:57Z")
> [@](#): > > im Burton, but i thought Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was possibly the most pointless remake in the history of film. While i love Johnny Depp, and i thought his Willy Wonka was excellent, both he and the film suffered because the visual splendor and the darkness that distinguish Burton films was already right there, in the original with Gene Wilder. The new movie added absolutely nothing that you couldn’t have gotten from watching the first one, IMO. > Reply With Quote It takes all kinds. I love Dahl and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is my favorite of his books. I found the Gene Wilder version to be supremely lacking in many areas, including darkness and creep factor. I love the Burton version, even if Johny Depp didn’t quite get Mr. Wonka right. I’m very much looking forward to Alice. I expect it to be a great ride. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/69 "2009-06-22T20:36:03Z")
Here are [a few more](http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-21-alice-in-wonderland_N.htm). ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/70 "2009-06-22T20:40:02Z")
THIS is a Disney Production?!?! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/71 "2009-06-23T02:30:02Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Tim Burton, by his own admission, doesn’t know a good script from a bad one. He obviously also doesn’t know a good score, since he keeps using Danny Elfman. You take that BACK! Oh. I see you can’t. I’m going to tell my sense of cosmic justce to shush, and refuse to draw any conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/72 "2009-06-23T02:41:30Z")
Now, now, Dad…No spill blood. (Tim Burton totally needs to do an adaptation of The Island of Dr Moreau…) ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/73 "2009-06-23T03:32:22Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Bumping this again to give a link to (allegedly) the [first picture](http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2008/11/18/first-image-of-johnny-depp-as-the-mad-hatter.html#comment2685522) of Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter. Some people are claiming that it’s Photoshopped. I guess we’ll find out. And, we found out, it’s not photoshopped! Damn, if this is going to be a sequel, I’ll be way out of the loop since I haven’t a clue as to what happens before other than vague…little girl named Alice…rabbit hole (must’ve been a BIG rabbit hole…somebody called Mad Hatter…a tea party…Tweedledum and Tweedledee (and I have no idea who they are), a Queen, and that’s about it as far as my knowledge of Alice in Wonderland goes. I know more about the real Alice than I do about the fictional Alice. I guess I’m going to need to be spoiled just so I won’t be clueless for this one. Why couldn’t he have done the original first, then do his sequel? _pout_ ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/74 "2009-06-23T04:44:08Z")
I love that pic of Anne Hathaway… ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/75 "2009-06-23T06:09:12Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > That photo of Helena Bonham-Carter is amazing. She looks like a bobble-head doll. I wonder if they’re going to have her head nodding when she walks. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/76 "2009-06-23T06:15:13Z")
This looks way, way worse than I thought it would, and I thought it would look pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/77 "2009-06-23T11:58:12Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > And, we found out, it’s not photoshopped! > > Damn, if this is going to be a sequel, I’ll be way out of the loop since I haven’t a clue as to what happens before other than vague…little girl named Alice…rabbit hole (must’ve been a BIG rabbit hole…somebody called Mad Hatter…a tea party…Tweedledum and Tweedledee (and I have no idea who they are), a Queen, and that’s about it as far as my knowledge of Alice in Wonderland goes. I know more about the real Alice than I do about the fictional Alice. I guess I’m going to need to be spoiled just so I won’t be clueless for this one. Why couldn’t he have done the original first, then do his sequel? _pout_ I don’t think it really matters that much if you know anything about the events in “Alice’s Adventures Underground” (which is what the story about Alice and the Queen of Hearts, etc., is actually called). “Through The Looking-Glass” is a sequel in the sense that it occurs AFTER the first book, but the two stories only share a couple of characters (and at least two of those aren’t “really” who they were in the first book), and there’s no actual narrative connection otherwise. ETA: Of course, Burton may gin up connections that aren’t there in the books…the presence of characters that never appeared in “Looking-Glass” in the casting list says he probably will cook up a few. ---
**Author:** ![johnspartan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a183cd/32.png) [@johnspartan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnspartan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/78 "2009-06-23T12:56:53Z")
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**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/79 "2009-06-23T13:04:18Z")
> [@kelly5078](#): > > I wouldn’t touch this thing. I’m another who’s sick to death of Burton. He always makes the same damned movie with the same damned gray-ass palette. I can scarcely make out the difference between “Batman,” “Corpse Bride,” “Sleepy Hollow,” and “Sweeney Todd.” The guy just steamrollers the material with his overbearing technique. Having this one-note mediocrity in control of one of the wittiest, most intelligent works in the English language is off-putting in the extreme. You wrote exactly what I thought. The Mad Hatter’s one of my favorite characters too. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/80 "2009-06-23T13:38:49Z")
> [@kelly5078](#): > > I wouldn’t touch this thing. I’m another who’s sick to death of Burton. He always makes the same damned movie with the same damned gray-ass palette. I can scarcely make out the difference between “Batman,” “Corpse Bride,” “Sleepy Hollow,” and “Sweeney Todd.” The guy just steamrollers the material with his overbearing technique. Having this one-note mediocrity in control of one of the wittiest, most intelligent works in the English language is off-putting in the extreme. I liked that movie he did about the kindly, misunderstood weirdo. The photo of Depp is ridiculous, and the Alfred E. Newman gap tooth puts it over the top. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182.md?page=5)