# Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland (2010) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182 "2008-05-22T01:08:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/81 "2009-06-23T15:18:36Z")
Actually, I think he looks rather like Elijah Wood in that picture. ---
**Author:** ![maladroit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@maladroit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maladroit)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/82 "2009-06-23T18:37:50Z")
Tim Burton is a genre unto himself. The look and sound of his projects are consistent with each other, but the stories are different and distinct. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/83 "2009-06-23T19:22:50Z")
Why does he keep doing this to the lovely Johnny Depp? Him as the Chocolate Factory guy turns my stomach. I must go watch something with him as beautiful to get these images out of my head. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/84 "2009-06-23T19:40:59Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > Why does he keep doing this to the lovely Johnny Depp? Him as the Chocolate Factory guy turns my stomach. It’s no worse than what he does to Helena Bonham Carter, his SO, in his movies. The only roles in Burton movies where she’s looked at least somewhat normal (i.e., not buried under latex) were \*\*Charlie and the Chocolate Factory \*\* and **Sweeney Todd**. Considering she began her career playing corseted English Roses, her career turn is a bit surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/85 "2009-06-23T19:48:22Z")
> [@cactus\_waltz](#): > > Actually, I think he looks rather like Elijah Wood in that picture. You’re not the only one. [http://www.tmz.com/category/johnny-depp/](http://www.tmz.com/category/johnny-depp/) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/86 "2009-06-23T21:21:01Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > It’s no worse than what he does to Helena Bonham Carter, his SO, in his movies. The only roles in Burton movies where she’s looked at least somewhat normal (i.e., not buried under latex) were \*\*Charlie and the Chocolate Factory \*\* and **Sweeney Todd**. Considering she began her career playing corseted English Roses, her career turn is a bit surprising. A check’s a check. I doubt she chose to enter this particular area of movie styling, but ultimately while as Burton can decide what films he wants to do, I don’t think HBC has quite that clout in Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/87 "2009-06-23T21:37:38Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > A check’s a check. I doubt she chose to enter this particular area of movie styling Her style is pretty quirky IRL too… [http://z.about.com/d/fashion/1/0/n/u/2/74996228\_10.jpg](http://z.about.com/d/fashion/1/0/n/u/2/74996228_10.jpg) [http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2008/2/8/9D0D6F2C-B9F8-0E47-A23C1D343017E599.jpg](http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2008/2/8/9D0D6F2C-B9F8-0E47-A23C1D343017E599.jpg) > **[WebMD - Better information. Better health.](https://www.webmd.com/)** > > The leading source for trustworthy and timely health and medical news and information. Providing credible health information, supportive community, and educational services by blending award-winning expertise in content, community services, expert... ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/88 "2009-06-24T04:59:51Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > Her style is pretty quirky IRL too… > > [http://z.about.com/d/fashion/1/0/n/u/2/74996228\_10.jpg](http://z.about.com/d/fashion/1/0/n/u/2/74996228_10.jpg) > [http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2008/2/8/9D0D6F2C-B9F8-0E47-A23C1D343017E599.jpg](http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2008/2/8/9D0D6F2C-B9F8-0E47-A23C1D343017E599.jpg) > [http://www.helena-world.com/blog/wp-content/20070927\_helena02.jpg](http://www.helena-world.com/blog/wp-content/20070927_helena02.jpg) With regards to those last two photos, the last time I was at Seattle’s Pike Street Market, I saw a lot of 20 and 30-something aged women dressed like that. If placed there, HBC would blend right in with them–which, I suspect, is probably one reason why she dresses like that IRL. (Incidentally, not to turn this into a thread about her, but Helena Bonham Carter is from a very affluent family with an interesting background.) Getting back to Burton, much is said about his style being “dark” but I think it’s best described as “lite dark.” Things may look morbid on the surface but it doesn’t take much effort to find out that they’re obviously not meant to be taken seriously. In contrast, a “dark dark” movie may or may not have all the murky atmospherics of a typical Tim Burton movie but will deal with grim and disturbing subject matter in a manner that, in the end, will likely leave you feeling a little less positive about humanity and/or the universe in general (e.g., movies like **Se7en, Unforgiven** and **Chinatown** ). The only Tim Burton movies I think that were truly dark (or “dark dark”) were **Sleepy Hollow** (and even that was a homage to the over-the-top bloody campiness of the Hammer horror films) and **Sweeney Todd**. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/89 "2009-06-24T05:09:46Z")
No matter how hard Jack Skellington tried, he couldn’t help but twist Christmas into something dark and macabre. Compare with Tim Burton. No matter what story you give him, he turns it into a Gothic fairy tale. That’s just his way. Best to give him something that can take that. Though Roald Dahl is a good match for him, _Charlie and the Chocolate Factory_ probably wasn’t the best choice. Instead he probably should’ve looked to one of his _Tales Of The Unexpected_. I wonder what Burton would do if they gave him _Good Omens_. ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/90 "2009-06-24T08:32:26Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > No matter what story you give him, he turns it into a Gothic fairy tale. That’s just his way. Best to give him something that can take that. Though Roald Dahl is a good match for him, _Charlie and the Chocolate Factory_ probably wasn’t the best choice. Instead he probably should’ve looked to one of his _Tales Of The Unexpected_. Or possibly _Witches_? _e_ Though preferrably not with Danny Elfman on the soundtrack. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/91 "2009-06-24T09:34:47Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > Her style is pretty quirky IRL too… > > [http://z.about.com/d/fashion/1/0/n/u/2/74996228\_10.jpg](http://z.about.com/d/fashion/1/0/n/u/2/74996228_10.jpg) > [http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2008/2/8/9D0D6F2C-B9F8-0E47-A23C1D343017E599.jpg](http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2008/2/8/9D0D6F2C-B9F8-0E47-A23C1D343017E599.jpg) > [http://www.helena-world.com/blog/wp-content/20070927\_helena02.jpg](http://www.helena-world.com/blog/wp-content/20070927_helena02.jpg) Dunno, that looks more like a “grab whatever’s on top of the heap” sort of thing than a style. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/92 "2009-06-24T13:46:12Z")
Mia Wasikowska played the part of a patient on HBOs In Treatment last year, and from what I saw she was very good. I don’t usually like most child actors, but she was quite impressive. She also looks very young for her age, so I could buy her playing a 13-14 year old Alice. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/93 "2009-07-22T19:21:33Z")
The [trailer](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Kcf6JSd1Y)is out. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/94 "2009-07-22T19:24:00Z")
When we were at the theater this past weekend to see Harry Potter, we saw a pair of big posters for this film…one showing Depp, the other Carter. They both looked utterly insane. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/95 "2009-07-22T20:27:50Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > The [trailer](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Kcf6JSd1Y)is out. And the Disney company already took it down. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/96 "2009-07-22T20:35:31Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > And the Disney company already took it down. LOL. So clueless. God forbid someone give them free advertising. I saw it before it got taken down and it actually didn’t look as bad as the posters suggest. Still unnecessary IMO, though. I mean, I’ve seen and read _Alice_ a million times in a thousand different mediums. Do I really want to pay to go to the cinema to see it again? No. This is about as necessary as a new _Christmas Carol_ movie (which they’re making :rolleyes:.) And I wish Tim Burton would make another movie that didn’t SCREAM Tim Burton. It worked out very nicely with Ed Wood. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/97 "2009-07-22T20:35:54Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > And the Disney company already took it down. Damn, that was fast. You can still see it [here](http://dlisted.com/node/33069), but probably not for much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/98 "2009-07-22T20:41:37Z")
It would be hard for anyone to make an Alice movie today without being Tim Burtonesque. So naturally his take will be Burtonesque. I was enthused about this until I saw pics of Depp as the Hatter. At first I confused it with the Caterpillar. While both aliceish and burtonesque, it certainly doesn’t look like the Hatter! ---
**Author:** ![CyclopticXander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CyclopticXander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyclopticXander)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/99 "2009-07-22T22:03:18Z")
Darnit I want to see this trailer. Can someone explain to me why Disney is so determined to make sure I don’t see an advertisement for their movie? ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182/100 "2009-07-23T10:40:34Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I saw it before it got taken down and it actually didn’t look as bad as the posters suggest. Still unnecessary IMO, though. I mean, I’ve seen and read _Alice_ a million times in a thousand different mediums. And yet, there really hasn’t been a good Alice movie. I can’t wait for Burton’s take. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-2010/450182.md?page=6)