# Tim Tebow.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 23, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086 "2010-02-23T05:09:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/21 "2010-02-23T21:39:59Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I have not seen numbers like that. It will be interesting to see if he runs at the Combine. I bet he won’t, and if he doesn’t he’s basically ensuring he is a) too slow and b) never going to play anywhere but QB. > > Greg Olsen ran a 4.5 40 and weighed 254 pounds at the Combine. I’m not sure in what world Tebow would be a larger than average TE. Kevin Boss, a more prototypical block/pass TE, ran a 4.7 40 at 253 pounds in the same year. Both guys were 6-6. Tebow is 10-20 pounds lighter and 3 inches shorter and is probably slower than both, he’s never blocked anyone or run a route. Anyone who thinks he can be a TE is insane. Did you know - and I’m just throwing this out there - that you call people insane or stupid in just about every thread, and that more often than not you aren’t even responding to anything that has actually been posted? I mean, I don’t particularly care but it sure does make it feel like a waste of time to talk about anything you might be interested in responding to. Anyway, the first three google results for ‘Tebow 40 time’ give a low result of 4.6-something, and as far as the size thing goes, it isn’t that hard to figure out what I was saying. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/22 "2010-02-23T22:06:30Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Did you know - and I’m just throwing this out there - that you call people insane or stupid in just about every thread, and that more often than not you aren’t even responding to anything that has actually been posted? I mean, I don’t particularly care but it sure does make it feel like a waste of time to talk about anything you might be interested in responding to. > > Anyway, the first three google results for ‘Tebow 40 time’ give a low result of 4.6-something, and as far as the size thing goes, it isn’t that hard to figure out what I was saying. Yes, let’s blame the puffery. That’ll answer the debate. Heaven forbid a sports thread gets a little lively. Nevermind the fact that your said: > [@](#): > > More importantly, he’s 240 pounds, so why would he have to worry about whether he has the speed to be an NFL receiver anyway? He could very easily be a larger than average NFL tight end. I cited two recently drafted TE who are substantially taller and heavier than Tebow. At [6’3" and 245 lbs](http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183484) he’d be _dramatically_ smaller than the average TE, perhaps the smallest in the league. I understood what you are saying. It’s simply wrong. Supposing the speed question gets answered and he hits 4.60 on the gun, putting him solidly in the middle of the pack for TEs, the fact remains that he’s a) never caught passes, b) never run routes, c) never blocked anyone, d) is dramatically shorter than most all TEs, e) is lighter than most all TEs. So, forgive me for pointing out that it defies logic to project him as a TE with any degree of confidence. There’s no data supporting it whatsoever. Would you like a Coke? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/23 "2010-02-23T22:19:55Z")
> [@The\_Facts](#): > > But wait – won’t Jesus just make all the defenders fall down in front of him? The bible says so! > > Hope he gets killed in the preseason. I’m curious- does Tebow LOOK like he sits around on his butt waiting for Jesus to give him big muscles? Or like a guy who spends a lot of time in the weight room? He also graduated from the University of Florida on time, and had a 3.66 grade point average. Does that sound like a guy who twiddles his thumbs and expects Jesus to help him pass his courses? Or like a guy who buckles down and STUDIES? Even now, is he acting like a guy who expects Jesus to make him the #1 overall draft choice? Or is he working hard to change his style, KNOWING his old way of doing things won’t cut in in the pros? You don’t have to like Tebow or Christians in general, but you MIGHT want to give him a teeny bit of credit for hard work and initiative. He has never expected Jesus to hand him anythign on a silver platter. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/24 "2010-02-23T22:33:53Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > He has never expected Jesus to hand him anythign on a silver platter. Hmm, wonder why Jesus keeps getting all the credit. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotGrrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9dc877/32.png) [@PatriotGrrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotGrrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/25 "2010-02-23T23:06:32Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > About the only converted QB I can think of that’s had any real success if Brad Smith and he’s twice as fast and elusive as Tebow. It may too soon to tell, but what about Julian Edelman? He looks good to me, and us Pats fans have high hopes for him especially if Welker’s injury doesn’t heal well. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/26 "2010-02-23T23:10:30Z")
> [@PatriotGrrrl](#): > > It may too soon to tell, but what about Julian Edelman? He looks good to me, and us Pats fans have high hopes for him especially if Welker’s injury doesn’t heal well. See post 16. From Wiki: > [@](#): > > Edelman was not invited to the 2009 [NFL Combine](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Combine); at his pro day, he recorded a 20-yard short shuttle time of 3.92 seconds, which would have been the fastest time of any player at the Combine. Edelman looks quite good, but he doesn’t really apply to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/27 "2010-02-24T03:49:08Z")
1. Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy both think Tebow is the best quarterback prospect in the 2010 draft class. 2. Gruden and Dungy both got fired by the Buccaneers because they couldn’t draft or sign a long-term solution at quarterback, so there is that. 3. Speed is massively overrated by draft analysts. The average NFL receiver runs a mid-4.5s 40. Tebow is certainly fast enough to play tight end and is going to be much better with the ball in his hands than any NFL tight end. 4. Tebow has said that while he wants to be drafted as a quarterback he’d be happy to switch positions if it doesn’t work out. Obviously he’s not an ideal draft choice for a team with a need at quarterback, but for a contender like Indianapolis he’d be a superb choice. ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/28 "2010-02-24T03:59:55Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Tebow PROBABLY doesn’t have the tools to be an NFL quarterback, but there’s a small chance he could develop into a decent one. > > But he DEFINITELY doesn’t have the speed to be an NFL receiver. > > He’ll either play quarterback in the NFL, or he’ll get a civilian job. No disgrace in that- James Street, John Shaffer, Charlie Ward and Tony Rice and Tee Martin won national championships in college, but didn’t have the tools to play QB in the NFL, either. It happens. Tee Martin isn’t exactly doing badly for himself now that he’s the WR coach for my Kentucky Wildcats. Tebow isn’t going to make it as an NFL QB unless, as others have pointed out, he manages to get into a position where he can be an understudy for someone for 3-4 years while the coaching staff rebuilds him. They have the technology. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/29 "2010-02-24T04:05:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > 1. Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy both think Tebow is the best quarterback prospect in the 2010 draft class. > > 2. Gruden and Dungy both got fired by the Buccaneers because they couldn’t draft or sign a long-term solution at quarterback, so there is that. > > 3. Speed is massively overrated by draft analysts. The average NFL receiver runs a mid-4.5s 40. Tebow is certainly fast enough to play tight end and is going to be much better with the ball in his hands than any NFL tight end. > > 4. Tebow has said that while he wants to be drafted as a quarterback he’d be happy to switch positions if it doesn’t work out. Obviously he’s not an ideal draft choice for a team with a need at quarterback, but for a contender like Indianapolis he’d be a superb choice. At what round? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/30 "2010-02-24T05:07:48Z")
Anywhere from the tail end of the first round to the last. His value is boosted somewhat by the fact that in Florida he’ll undoubtedly put more butts in seats than any other rookie, even riding the pine. In the specific case of Indianapolis, he’d be an upgrade over Curtis Painter no matter how bad he is… ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/31 "2010-02-24T12:16:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Anywhere from the tail end of the first round to the last. His value is boosted somewhat by the fact that in Florida he’ll undoubtedly put more butts in seats than any other rookie, even riding the pine. > > In the specific case of Indianapolis, he’d be an upgrade over Curtis Painter no matter how bad he is… Might I remind you of your track record? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/32 "2010-02-24T14:38:12Z")
In addition to _that thing_, I have also made several remarkably prescient draft predictions. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/33 "2010-02-24T15:07:48Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I’m curious- does Tebow LOOK like he sits around on his butt waiting for Jesus to give him big muscles? Or like a guy who spends a lot of time in the weight room? I think the sarcasm was directed at the attitude of his christian fans, not him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/34 "2010-02-24T16:06:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > and is going to be much better with the ball in his hands than any NFL tight end. Why do you believe this? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/35 "2010-02-24T16:50:39Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > Tee Martin isn’t exactly doing badly for himself now that he’s the WR coach for my Kentucky Wildcats. > > Tebow isn’t going to make it as an NFL QB unless, as others have pointed out, he manages to get into a position where he can be an understudy for someone for 3-4 years while the coaching staff rebuilds him. They have the technology. And Tebow won’t be “doing badly for himself” is he has to do something for a living besides playing quarterback in the NFL. I meant absolutely NO disrespect to Tee Martin or any of the other quarterbacks I mentioned. Martin had no hope of making it as an NFL quarterback, but he managed to win a national championship, something Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, John Elway and Tom Brady never accomplished. He has every right to be proud of himself, as does Tebow. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/36 "2010-02-24T17:32:51Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Why do you believe this? Because he was the primary ballcarrier for the best team in college football for three years? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/37 "2010-03-01T08:48:24Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > He’s run a 4.6-something. More importantly, he’s 240 pounds, so why would he have to worry about whether he has the speed to be an NFL receiver anyway? He could very easily be a larger than average NFL tight end. 4.72 40-yard, 6’3", 236 lbs. That makes him the smallest and slowest TE at the Combine. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/38 "2010-03-01T09:04:00Z")
I don’t think Jimmy ever honestly believed that Tebow has legitimate TE size. Note how instead of defending the position he deflected by attacking you personally. EDIT: Then again, Dustin Keller isn’t all that much bigger, so maybe he did and maybe he’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/39 "2010-03-01T10:01:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Because he was the primary ballcarrier for the best team in college football for three years? So? Jason Witten and Brandon Pettgrew are still better with the ball than he is, and can actually catch and block. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086/40 "2010-03-01T15:04:32Z")
They’re better with the ball than he is based on _what_? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tim-tebow/530086.md?page=3)