# Time again for a Daylight Saving thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 10, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394 "2025-03-10T15:01:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/181 "2026-07-15T19:02:34Z")
This entire discussion is why this is the one and only issue that I believe only Trump can fix. We all agree the time changes are horrible, nobody can agree on what to leave the time at. Someone has to come in and just pick one and do it their way, and Trump is really the best person for it. I honestly do not care which time we pick, just stop changing it and I will be thrilled. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/182 "2026-07-15T19:13:22Z")
Missouri has had a few efforts to go on permanent DST a few times in the past few years. Now that tRump is behind it our legislature will be all for it. I’ve long wanted to have the same time year 'round. I’d prefer Standard Time, but any port in a storm and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/183 "2026-07-15T19:21:25Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But you can’t change sleep deficit by changing what time students go to school. Move back the school day, and kids will stay up later. We’ve seen the studies. It does make a difference. Kids, particularly teens, did better with later start times. Unless, of course, there are later studies refuting the studies I read a few years ago. No kids myself, so I can’t promise I haven’t missed any. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/184 "2026-07-15T20:14:49Z")
> [@robby](#): > > But yearlong DST would delay the time of sunrise until really late in the winter (sometimes after 8am). So kids would be getting on the school bus in the dark. We have staggered school starts, with the HS first, middle school times & then finally elementary school; I believe that’s get all students on a given bus allowing it to do multiple different runs rather than needing more buses/drivers. The elementary kids are & would continue to go to school in daylight; however, the older kids may be in the dark but they are presumably (hopefully?) wise enough to not walk in front of a car while dressed in all black. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/185 "2026-07-15T21:27:20Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > We all agree the time changes are horrible It doesn’t bother me, and IRL I haven’t heard anyone complain (other than losing an hour of sleep in spring). ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/186 "2026-07-15T21:27:33Z")
It may end up that the entire planet will be on Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), and localities will simply set school and business hours that are convenient for when it’s daylight there. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/187 "2026-07-15T21:37:49Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > It may end up that the entire planet will be on Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), and localities will simply set school and business hours that are convenient for when it’s daylight there. We can’t get the U.S. to completely adopt the metric (i.e. SI) system. Do you really think we could get the U.S. public to accept UTC time? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/188 "2026-07-15T21:39:57Z")
Hey, they already accept time that isn’t based on the Sun, anyway. Just don’t tell them it’s an international standard. Come up with some other numerology for it, and say that it’s Trump’s idea, and people would bite. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/189 "2026-07-15T21:41:06Z")
> [@robby](#): > > But yearlong DST would delay the time of sunrise until really late in the winter (sometimes after 8am). So kids would be getting on the school bus in the dark. Back in the 1970s when there was some fiddling with daylight saving time, I was **walking** to school in the dark. > **[The US tried permanent daylight saving in 1974 and people hated it](https://www.newsweek.com/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-in-1974-and-people-hated-it-12197099)** > > The U.S. tried permanent daylight saving time in 1974 during the energy crisis. Here's why Americans initially backed it—and why public support quickly collapsed. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/190 "2026-07-15T21:47:46Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > > [@robby](#): > > > > But yearlong DST would delay the time of sunrise until really late in the winter (sometimes after 8am). So kids would be getting on the school bus in the dark. > > Back in the 1970s when there was some fiddling with daylight saving time, I was **walking** to school in the dark A few years ago, I asked my mom why she was always putting me on the school bus in the middle of the night when we were stationed in Germany. (This was in December and January when I was in the 2nd grade.) She replied, “It wasn’t the middle of the night…it was 7:30 in the morning!” ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/191 "2026-07-15T21:48:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Hey, they already accept time that isn’t based on the Sun, anyway. Just don’t tell them it’s an international standard. Come up with some other numerology for it, and say that it’s Trump’s idea, and people would bite. Who could be against the United Trump Clock (UTC)? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/192 "2026-07-15T21:50:36Z")
> [@susan](#): > > It doesn’t bother me, and IRL I haven’t heard anyone complain (other than losing an hour of sleep in spring). I rate it as “meh”, no big deal. In fact, I would rather keep DST than give trump and the MAGAs a win . ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/193 "2026-07-15T21:52:16Z")
> [@susan](#): > > It doesn’t bother me, and IRL I haven’t heard anyone complain (other than losing an hour of sleep in spring). I’m sure the massive increases in strokes, heart attacks, and fatal traffic accidents that happen every time we change the clock are just fine and dandy then. We are literally killing people over a mild inconvenience because people can’t decide whether we should get up earlier or later. It has to be stopped, which one we pick does not matter. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/194 "2026-07-15T22:02:40Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I’m sure the massive increases in strokes, heart attacks, and fatal traffic accidents that happen every time we change the clock are just fine and dandy then. We are literally killing people over a mild inconvenience because people can’t decide whether we should get up earlier or later. > **[Daylight Saving Time May Not Trigger Heart Attacks After All, Study Finds](https://medschool.duke.edu/news/daylight-saving-time-may-not-trigger-heart-attacks-after-all-study-finds)** > > Duke University School of Medicine study of 170,000 patients found no spike in heart events around daylight saving time, but sleep loss still poses risks for long-term health. l\> I > n a sweeping analysis of nearly 170,000 patients over a decade, researchers at Duke University School of Medicine found no significant increase in heart attacks during the weeks surrounding DST transitions — in neither spring nor fall. > The findings published Sept. 9 in[JAMA Network Open](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2025.30442?guestAccessKey=c72ca16a-3f56-4043-aa24-88b5a0a5fada&utm_source=for_the_media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=090925 "(opens in a new window)")challenge earlier, smaller studies that suggested the spring time change, which robs people of an hour of sleep, could lead to a rise in cardiovascular events. > > The only exception in the new study was a spike in acute myocardial infarction (AMI) cases following spring DST in 2020, coinciding with the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, a period of widespread stress, uncertainty, and disruptions to health care. > > “This is the most comprehensive look we’ve had at the relationship between DST and heart health,” said lead study author[Jennifer Rymer, MD](https://medicine.duke.edu/profile/jennifer-anne-rymer "(opens in a new window)"), an interventional cardiologist at Duke Health and an associate professor of medicine at Duke School of Medicine. “And the data simply don’t support the idea that changing the clocks causes a surge in heart attacks.”ang=“EN-US”\> ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2026, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/195 "2026-07-16T12:35:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > What was the rationale for making the permanent time Daylight Savings rather than Standard? I believe there are a substantial number of people who _think_ they want year-round Daylight Saving Time when what they really want is the long days that naturally occur in the summer. “I really like how it stays light until late into the evening. That’s because we’re on DST. Let’s pass a law and make it stay light late into the evening all year.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2026, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/196 "2026-07-16T14:20:38Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > We are literally killing people over a mild inconvenience Add me to the skeptics about whether there really is “massive” mortality over what’s acknowledged to be a “mild inconvenience”. And yeah, I see even the POTUS and Congressmen arguing the fact of avoiding a clock change as the main goal sought, trumping whether the hour chosen is better for productivity and quality of life. Why am I not surprised. I am on record upthread and in other places that the real answer should be to redraw the time zones so that the seasonal variance vs astronomical noontime is better centered, and THEN lock in a “standard”. That may result in zones staggered significantly further off the notional “UTC minus” bands than now, but that already happens and in some world regions even more so. (Heck, it may even require FIVE time zones in the 48. Oh no what a nightmare…) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/197 "2026-07-16T14:53:04Z")
Of course no one wants a time zone plan that would for example split off Chicago from the suburbs immediately to its east. The current boundaries are a compromise based on practical convenience. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/198 "2026-07-16T14:53:18Z")
Today’s XKCD is spot on regarding the topic. [![](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time_change.png) ](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time_change.png) “All discussions of daylight saving time policy are doomed by a mix of contradictory, inconsistent, and impossible preferences, which is why I think the only thing we can really hope to do is to make it worse.” ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2026, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/199 "2026-07-16T15:20:34Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I believe there are a substantial number of people who _think_ they want year-round Daylight Saving Time when what they really want is the long days that naturally occur in the summer. Let’s get the science nerds working on _that one._ Let’s get this tilting earth business on lock down once and for all. Long summer days year-round for everyone in the northern hemisphere and if the southern hemisphere folks don’t like it, well they can put their own science nerds to work on a second sun. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2026, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394/200 "2026-07-16T15:24:33Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > and if the southern hemisphere folks don’t like it, well they can put their own science nerds to work on a… Giant, space-based lever to tilt it back favorably for them. 😯 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-again-for-a-daylight-saving-thread/1015394.md?page=11)