Time again for a Daylight Saving thread

Nope. Not until he renames it The Gulf of Trump bordered by (E to W): Trumpia, Trumpama, Trumpippi, Trumpiana, and Trumpas. And also bordered by Trumpico.

Or he could do something really classy like sell naming rights.

Chase Standard Time.
Con-Agra Standard Time
X-CEL Standard Time
Kaiser Permanente Permanent Standard Time (no DST)

Shhh! Don’t give him ideas

Good point on it not being 60%, but honestly, it really doesn’t say that 54% want to get rid of it. Just that 54% said they aren’t in favor of it.

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I know of at least one institution that takes this approach: Camp Ramah in the Berkshires, a Jewish summer camp in upstate New York, uses Standard Time (a.k.a. “camp time”) instead of Daylight Saving Time while camp is in session. Their justification: the Jewish sabbath and holidays begin and end at sundown, and it’s easiest to coordinate this with young campers’s sleep schedules by just ignoring the time change.

I posted that becuase of what you said here-

And Americans do not agree with that. The % of course varies by how you read the polls. But in no way shape or form did the polls say Americans generally agree it has to go.

I’m resurrecting this thread because Congress is trying to make DST the standard year round. It will likely pass the house but the senate has some whiners who don’t like the idea of people having to get up when it’s dark during part of the year. Well, suck it up, you wankers. Get rid of this albatross that almost nobody likes.

Here is my issue with that-

President Donald Trump has publicly pushed Congress to pass the legislation, sponsored by Rep. Vern Buchanan, R-Fla. He wrote May 21 on Truth Social that he was “going to work very hard to see The Sunshine Protection Act signed into Law.”

“It’s time that people can stop worrying about the ‘Clock,’ not to mention all of the work and money that is spent on this ridiculous, twice yearly production. It will also be a very nice WIN for the Republican Party. Take it!” Trump wrote.

Of course we should get rid of Daylight Wasting Time. The question is just what to keep the clocks on.

There are actually two different questions, here:

1: What time do we want noon to be?

2: Do we want the “standard work day” to start three hours before noon, or four?

I think that the first is obvious: Everyone knows that noon is 12:00. For the second, I can see an argument either way, but if we do decide it should be four hours before noon, then let’s just make the standard work day 8-4 instead of 9-5.

I never once worked a nine to five job. Almost all my jobs were 8:00 - 4:30, occasionally earlier like 7:30 - 4:00. Always eight working hours (not counting two paid 15 minute breaks) and an unpaid half hour lunch.

Keeping DST in the winter was already tried in the 1970s and it was abandoned.
If we keep one time, I vote for standard, as it closer to solar time, at least at my longitude.

Brian

The big proponents of this current bill are all from Florida, whereas those in northern states experience much larger swings in sunrise/sunset times. For example, here in Minnesota our sunrise in the first day of winter would be about 8:45 am. From what I remember about year-long DST in the 1970s, darkness in the morning was harder to live with than darkness in the evening - it was harder to get going in the dark than to shut down in the dark.

Maybe this is what the new North vs. South Civil War is fought over.

Florida really shouldn’t have Daylight Savings Time at all. It’s far enough south that it doesn’t need it.

I still vote for splitting the difference: permanent half hour ahead of what is now Standard Time.

To be fair, when they tried it that time in the 70’s, they chose the worst possible way to make the switch. I believe it was New Years day. The first day when everyone needed to get up an hour earlier was the Monday after the holiday break.

That would be my preference, also. All the squalling about how it’s hard to deal with the dark in the morning cuts no ice with me. I grew up in Alaska. Part of the year was going to school in the dark and coming home in the dark. The other part was going to sleep when the sun was still shining. When we returned to live there at age 50, it was the same for work and it never bothered us. You can get used to most anything, and this is a minor inconvenience.

Except for India, I believe the rest of the world is on an hour; India, for whatever reason is 10½ hours different than East Coast US. While I can calculate what time it is wherever in my head I find it difficult to do the mental math when that half hour is added in & end up needing to pull up a world clock calendar to calculate that one for me.

No there are others. Off the top of my head, Newfoundland is half an hour earlier than the rest of the Maritimes and Australian Central Time is half an hour behind their east coast. There are also a few places with odd offsets. Nepal is 15 minutes ahead of Indian time and the Chatham Islands are 45 minutes ahead of New Zealand. I think there’s more, but I’d have to check a time zone map.

ETA: I believe India’s time is a compromise between the two time zones it would normally have.

Changing the clocks all the time is bullshit, but the US is too big to pick a single time zone. Having one, Chinese-style, would not help, because local business hours would vary anyway. A Euro-style directive would not be too bad: every state picks a time zone and sticks with it year-round.

I dont think a single time zone was the idea. Just getting rid of Daylight Saving Time.