# Time for the GOP to show their cards

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-for-the-gop-to-show-their-cards/703927>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [November 6, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-for-the-gop-to-show-their-cards/703927 "2014-11-06T21:31:40Z")\
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**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\
**Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-for-the-gop-to-show-their-cards/703927/61 "2014-11-12T03:14:25Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> First, you think 47% of Americans are too poor to pay taxes?
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> Second, math is your friend. If you have two kids, that’s $2000 taken directly off any tax liability you owe right there, if you actually owe any taxes. That’s the child tax credit. Then there are the regular deductions: $3950 for each dependent. So added to the standard deduction, we have no tax liability up to $28,200 already. Then you have the credit, which means that you owe no taxes until your tax liability goes over $2000. That gets you to almost $50,000 before you owe a dime. If you have a mortgage and itemize, you can go even higher before owing anything. Meanwhile. the single renter has tax liability starting at just over $21,000/yr.
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> Oh, and the child tax credit is refundable, so if a family of four makes $40,000, they actually have negative tax liability.

Okay. Now, if the taxes for those people go up, and the reform is revenue neutral, whose taxes will go down?

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-for-the-gop-to-show-their-cards/703927/62 "2014-11-12T19:11:13Z")

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Depends on how you do the tax reform, but if you were to eliminate most middle class tax deductions and raise the standard deduction, a lot more poorer workers would be eliminated from the tax rolls, while leaving the middle class families currently paying no tax with a rather small tax bill.

Let’s say that we reduce the lowest tax rate to 8%, as recommended by the President’s Fiscal Commission, while raising the standard deduction to $17,000. The worker making $21,000 who rents and has no kids would now pay no taxes, while the family a family of four with a mortgage making $50,000 now pay something like $350.

The main impact of such a change would probably fall on people who itemize so as to avoid any tax liability in the $75,000-$150,000 range. Those taxpayers who currently avoid tax entirely or pay a very small tax by reducing their taxable income to a small amount would see a tax bill in the thousands. Given that I make $45,000 and pay $2500 in taxes, it’s hard for me to see how that’s unfair.

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