# Time Person of the Year **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 9, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-person-of-the-year/675921 "2013-12-09T20:35:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-person-of-the-year/675921/61 "2013-12-12T20:08:57Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I can see the argument for either one. But it looks to me like the Pope may actually change the international conversation: the largest Christian organization on earth and in history looks like its about to get a lot more serious about combating poverty. By extension, Catholic laypeople, including politicians, are probably going to start feeling a lot more pressure to combat poverty. Yes, the Pope just has a bully pulpit, but it’s arguably the most important bully pulpit in all history. > > I’m not sure that Snowden actually changed many people’s minds, or changed the conversation. It seems to me that he confirmed what most folks already knew; and those whose views aren’t confirmed by him tend to think he’s a traitor. Are there really that many folks whose minds were changed by Snowden, or international relationships significantly changed by his actions? > > The other thing is that Snowden’s influence is likely to wane. The Pope’s is likely to increase. I must, sadly, disagree. The pope that Francis most resembles is John XXIII, certainly among modern popes. And what long-term effect did he have. They have nullified or reversed nearly every reform of Vatican II. Except for reinstating the Latin mass. And even that is under attack by such troglodytes as Mel Gibson. And what is so holy about Latin? Why can’t the mass be in Aramaic for Christ’s sake? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-person-of-the-year/675921/62 "2013-12-12T23:06:28Z")
Hari Seldon: > [@](#): > > Who is Miley Cyrus. Seriously. She voiced the girl in _Bolt_. That’s how I’d like to remember her. Actually, that’s kind of unfair. She has a talented voice. I actually like the song “Wrecking Ball.” But she certainly could have made a video for it without being naked. The scorn heaped on her is well-deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-person-of-the-year/675921/63 "2013-12-13T00:59:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Were all the people listed in the poll actually candidates? _Miley Fucking Cyrus!?!?_ Hey, let’s not be dissing my poll choice. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![James\_Toothpaste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@James\_Toothpaste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Toothpaste)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-person-of-the-year/675921/64 "2013-12-13T21:54:13Z")
I think it should be EdWARD Snowden. He made a lot of news headlines this year. But Miley could also be the Time person of the year. But oh, well. The Pope already made it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-person-of-the-year/675921/65 "2013-12-14T00:10:43Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > I must, sadly, disagree. The pope that Francis most resembles is John XXIII, certainly among modern popes. And what long-term effect did he have. They have nullified or reversed nearly every reform of Vatican II. Except for reinstating the Latin mass. And even that is under attack by such troglodytes as Mel Gibson. And what is so holy about Latin? Why can’t the mass be in Aramaic for Christ’s sake? I think that’s Mel Gibson’s dad. Mel isn’t quite that far out there, is he? The Latin mass is kind of nice. Maybe a good idea to keep it for certain occasions. But then, I’m an atheist, so I probably don’t get a vote… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-person-of-the-year/675921.md?page=3)