# Time to officially Pit the Sanford Police Dept and their cover-up. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 29, 2012, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108 "2012-03-29T01:38:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/181 "2012-04-02T00:04:59Z")
> [@Mr Pesticide](#): > > For some people, if the goal is defending a white angel against a black thug or annoying liberals, there is simply no bridge too far. In the companion thread in IMHO, someone just incredulously asked me for a cite when I said that head wounds bleed a lot. I supplied one and guess what the response was? Go on and guess. Take your best shot. “your cite does not say always. It says often.” This is what it does down to, y’all. As long as there is a tiny ray of possibility that the implausible occurred, then we must accept that it did. And anyone who dares disagree, is not being objective, they are letting emotion get in the way. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/182 "2012-04-02T00:05:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m not even confident that there is any discoloration. FWIW I definitely see a discoloration. It might be a trick of the light, or a shadow, or whatever. But I see a discoloration. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/183 "2012-04-02T00:07:35Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > That’s it! We’re missing a missing white woman! Yup. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/184 "2012-04-02T00:12:17Z")
I can prove that it was impossible for Sandusky to have raped Zimmerman… You see, if you just take 100 paper towel tubes and a 100 young boys and line them up with video camera footage to document it all… Oh wait… I’m getting my R P McMurphy pit threads that are going to go on for all eternity mixed up again aren’t I? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/185 "2012-04-02T00:13:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m not even confident that there is any discoloration. Somebody needs their fucking vision or integrity checked then. That streak could be a dozen things other than evidence that will help Zimmerman. Hell, the whole thing could be fabricated. If you believe things like that, fine run with that. But to claim you don’t even SEE anything…well I’ve lost a lot of respect for you right there. You’re as bad as what you are claiming the pro Zimmerman side are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/186 "2012-04-02T00:16:21Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > the pro-Zimmerman/“let’s not rush to judge” side of the debate. You are saying that anyone who says “let’s not rush to judgement” is “pro-Zimmerman.” That is idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/187 "2012-04-02T00:18:01Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > FWIW I definitely see a discoloration. It might be a trick of the light, or a shadow, or whatever. But I see a discoloration. FWIW, the problem I have with it is, if it is a fresh head wound that had been bleeding, why is it not bandaged? It goes against any first aid protocol I have ever read, or witnessed, that a bleeding head wound would be just cleaned, and not dressed (ie, bandaged). Add to this dubiousness the fact that Z’s lawyer later claimed it was an injury that should have been stitched. Where’s the bandage??? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/188 "2012-04-02T00:19:58Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No matter what evidence comes out, there will be lots of possible explanations which are consistent with Zimmerman being guilty. And many of the people who are emotionally or financially invested in Zimmerman being guilty will no doubt cling to those explanations. There will also be a possible explanation consistent with Zimmerman being innocent. Ask yourself if you are clinging to it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/189 "2012-04-02T00:24:31Z")
> [@camille](#): > > FWIW, the problem I have with it is, if it is a fresh head wound that had been bleeding, why is it not bandaged? I share in your problem, but I don’t think it’s enough of a problem to conclude (at this point) that the policeman lied about Zimmerman’s (lack of?) injury. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/190 "2012-04-02T00:25:41Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Let me ask you this: Do you see a discoloration on the back of his head [here](http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/). (Where the yellow arrows are pointing)? > > If so, how do you account for it? Is it just a trick of the light? A photoshop job? And are you confident that it is not an injury? I’m reasonably confident that is just a trick of the light and grainy video quality. One of the reasons I am confident in this is because of all the enhanced stills going around outlining his injuries, for no two show quite the same injury. Your link up there clearly shows a long narrow gash running vertically. But this one-- [http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Zimmerman-Gash.jpg--](http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Zimmerman-Gash.jpg--) just as clearly shows a differently shaped wound, irregularly shaped but no where near as long as the other picture, and not in the same position on the head. I’ve seen other stills that purport to show blood stains trickling down the neck and wide bandages slapped horizontally across the back of the head. And my favorite: a “bump” or “contusion” that is conveniently in the exact same spot as a garden-variety Anatolian bump. At this point, it’s starting to be like finding the Virgin Mary in a slice of toast, or Elvis in a door panel. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/191 "2012-04-02T00:26:58Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There will also be a possible explanation consistent with Zimmerman being innocent. Sure, if it turns out that Zimmerman was not the least bit injured, you can bet that plenty of people on “Team Zimmerman” will spin tales accordingly. > [@](#): > > Ask yourself if you are clinging to it. I’m not. If it turns out that Zimmerman does not have injuries consistent with his story, then my conclusion is that he’s a liar and should go to jail. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/192 "2012-04-02T00:28:36Z")
> [@camille](#): > > FWIW, the problem I have with it is, if it is a fresh head wound that had been bleeding, why is it not bandaged? It goes against any first aid protocol I have ever read, or witnessed, that a bleeding head wound would be just cleaned, and not dressed (ie, bandaged). Add to this dubiousness the fact that Z’s lawyer later claimed it was an injury that should have been stitched. Where’s the bandage??? Exactly. The absence of bandages means more to me than the absence of visible wounds, and yet brazil is fixated on a mysterious black streak that is only evident if you freeze the frame at just the right moment, adjust the lighting, and narrow your eyes a little. And his eager insistence on it being there crossed over into pathetic two days ago now. Now it’s just insane. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/193 "2012-04-02T00:41:56Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > I’m reasonably confident that is just a trick of the light and grainy video quality. > > One of the reasons I am confident in this is because of all the enhanced stills going around outlining his injuries, for no two show quite the same injury. Your link up there clearly shows a long narrow gash running vertically. I would call it more of a “discoloration” than a “gash,” but I basically agree. > [@](#): > > But this one-- [http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Zimmerman-Gash.jpg--](http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Zimmerman-Gash.jpg--) just as clearly shows a differently shaped wound, irregularly shaped but no where near as long as the other picture, and not in the same position on the head. I agree, but on the other hand it looks like an actual wound. Here is the video it apparently came from: [http://video.msnbc.msn.com/newsnation/46895491#46895491](http://video.msnbc.msn.com/newsnation/46895491#46895491) > [@](#): > > At this point, it’s starting to be like finding the Virgin Mary in a slice of toast, or Elvis in a door panel. Except that it’s likely that definitive pictures will be released down the road. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/194 "2012-04-02T00:46:22Z")
Now the analysis of the call: [http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/say\_not\_zimmerman\_crying\_for\_help\_pgBCAe0nrfakDLCYJ4JuwN](http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/say_not_zimmerman_crying_for_help_pgBCAe0nrfakDLCYJ4JuwN) This is from the NY Post, not exactly the mouthpiece of a liberal agenda. The problem is that it seems that everything that Zimmerman and his apologists have contended is being systematically refuted. There is little, if nothing, about his fairy tale that is holding up. Back to the OP, the Sanford police have been complicit. How many holes have to be punched in this alibi before justice is served. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/195 "2012-04-02T00:50:47Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Back to the OP, the Sanford police have been complicit. Why? Because you say so? > [@](#): > > How many holes have to be punched in this alibi before justice is served. Well, the case is going to a grand jury. Not sure what more you want–you think we should just round up Zimmerman and hang 'im high? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/196 "2012-04-02T01:00:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Well, the case is going to a grand jury. Not sure what more you want–you think we should just round up Zimmerman and hang 'im high? It looked very much like the case would never go to a grand jury before the shit hit the fan, and there were calls for an actual investigation. So… Good. I’m more confident now that the actual facts will come out, and the local authorities will not simply take the shooter’s word for what happened and sweep the whole thing under the carpet. But it took a shitstorm before they were willing to do anything. They were not necessarily complicit, but I do think they were lazy, and simply willing to wrap the whole case up with minimal effort. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/197 "2012-04-02T01:02:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It looked very much like the case would never go to a grand jury before the shit hit the fan, and there were calls for an actual investigation. > > So… Good. I’m more confident now that the actual facts will come out, and the local authorities will not simply take the shooter’s word for what happened and sweep the whole thing under the carpet. > > But it took a shitstorm before they were willing to do anything. They were not necessarily complicit, but I do think they were lazy, and simply willing to wrap the whole case up with minimal effort. One of the many articles of faith of Team Trayvon, oft-repeated and never proven. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/198 "2012-04-02T01:02:27Z")
Damnit, I’m convinced! The only sensible position on all of this is to withhold judgement until an affidavit from God Almighty countersigned by the Archangel Gabriel is offered. Unitl such time, the only thing we can honestly say is that the overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates that Zimmerman is very probably guilty of manslaughter. Note that my opinion is not that he is guilty! Perish the thought that I might be so reckless in my judgement. Only that the evidence points in that direction. A lot of it. A whole lot of it. But that’s all! ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/199 "2012-04-02T01:24:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Damnit, I’m convinced! The only sensible position on all of this is to withhold judgement until an affidavit from God Almighty countersigned by the Archangel Gabriel is offered. Unitl such time, the only thing we can honestly say is that the overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates that Zimmerman is very probably guilty of manslaughter. > > Note that my opinion is not that he is guilty! Perish the thought that I might be so reckless in my judgement. Only that the evidence points in that direction. A lot of it. A whole lot of it. But that’s all! . . . and why does his account of the incident turn out to be a stack of lies? He has no evidence on his side and a boatload that goes against his story. The Sanford police bought his story. They altered the police report to support it. That’s my gripe. That’s why I think they were complicit. Remember, US justice isn’t about “a shadow of a doubt” it’s about “a reasonable doubt.” RR doesn’t seem to understand that and it is that confusion that gets a lot of guilty people found to be “not guilty” by juries that can’t make the distinction. (Ever hear of O.J. Simpson?) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/200 "2012-04-02T01:43:11Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > (Ever hear of O.J. Simpson?) Yeah, but around here we call him Inmate 02648927. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108.md?page=11)