# Time to officially Pit the Sanford Police Dept and their cover-up. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 29, 2012, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108 "2012-03-29T01:38:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/361 "2012-04-11T20:26:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, reminds me of the old saying that a “racist” is a conservative who is winning an argument against a liberal. “‘Get away from me, you creep’ is what I hear from any woman who I turn-on.” [http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007210012](http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007210012) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/362 "2012-04-11T20:37:41Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Not really, when you asked me your question about a parade for Zimmerman a few posts back, I simply answered “no,” and asked you where I had said anything to suggest it. Of course you were unable to answer. I didn’t answer it, because it was a piece of rhetoric. Fire with fire. Or strawman with strawman. Whatever. > [@](#): > > By contrast, **gamerununknown** said the following: > > > [@](#): > > > > Presumably because whatever the verdict, they will know that Zimmerman is responsible for the death of an unarmed teenager. He admitted as such. In other countries, he’d be held culpable for murder on those grounds alone. If found guilty though, it may discourage others from carrying weapons or following people they find suspicious. > > It’s reasonable to interpret this as him saying that all that matters is that an armed adult shot and killed an unarmed teenager whom he had previously followed. That in such a situation, the shooter should go to jail. It’s reasonable to interpret this as saying Zimmerman’s claims of being threatened and attacked are irrelevant. > > In short, I’m not strawmanning **gamerununknown** in the least. I am asking him if he really is saying what he seems to be saying. Funny, the only place where anyone mentioned that Zimmerman should go to jail regardless of a court verdict was you … after your remarkable intreptation as to what he meant. I.e. - strawman. Go sell it somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/363 "2012-04-11T20:44:05Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Funny, the only place where anyone mentioned that Zimmerman should go to jail regardless of a court verdict was you Please show me where I mentioned this. Please quote me. Failing that, please admit that I mentioned no such thing and apologize. Looks to me like you are the one who is strawmanning but I will withhold judgment for a moment. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/364 "2012-04-11T20:48:04Z")
I swear, this – _please show me where I said what I just said and then apologize to me because I’m big fucking wussy_ - meme drives me up a tree. > [@brazil84](#): > > > [@gamerunknown](#): > > > > Presumably because whatever the verdict, they will know that Zimmerman is responsible for the death of an unarmed teenager. He admitted as such. In other countries, he’d be held culpable for murder on those grounds alone. If found guilty though, it may discourage others from carrying weapons or following people they find suspicious. > > So you believe that even if Zimmerman’s story is 100% true, he should go to prison? Now please show me where \*\*gamerunknown \*\*said that he should go to prison, failing that … eat my shorts. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/365 "2012-04-11T21:01:43Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I swear, this – _please show me where I said what I just said and then apologize to me because I’m big fucking wussy_ - meme drives me up a tree. Lol, of course it drives you up a tree. No liar likes to be called out on his lies. But don’t worry, that’s the last time I will ask you. See, I never stated or implied that according to **gamerununknown** , Zimmerman should go to jail regardless of a court verdict. Anyway, I don’t engage with people who insist on misrepresenting my position. Goodbye, liar. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/366 "2012-04-11T21:09:44Z")
Yay. I’m in the club! What a pussy. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/367 "2012-04-11T22:09:23Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Yay. I’m in the club! > > What a pussy. That was made obvious by the fact that he adds the name of the ones that he can not beat in a discussion to in his banned list at his blog (Yeah, he is not putting you on ignore, he is “banning” you), but with asterisks, so you are now banned \*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*!! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/368 "2012-04-11T22:11:16Z")
[Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder.](http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/ap-murder-charge-in-trayvon-martin-killing-2297982.html?cxntcid=breaking_news) ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/369 "2012-04-11T22:28:01Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Yay. I’m in the club! > > What a pussy. Welcome to the club. You’ll be glad to hear you don’t have to pay dues to stay a member. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/370 "2012-04-11T22:30:08Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That was made obvious by the fact that he adds the name of the ones that he can not beat in a discussion to in his banned list at his blog (Yeah, he is not putting you on ignore, he is “banning” you), but with asterisks, so you are now banned \*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*!! He has a blog? I’m sure it’s very thoughtful and well-written. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/371 "2012-04-11T22:35:20Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, of course it drives you up a tree. No liar likes to be called out on his lies. But don’t worry, that’s the last time I will ask you. See, I never stated or\*\* implied\*\* that according to **gamerununknown** , Zimmerman should go to jail regardless of a court verdict. Brazzy, I know that you’ve declared me persona non grata since I embarrassed you in an argument over Israel, so you probably won’t respond to this, but you really shouldn’t use words that you don’t understand. You most certainly did “imply” that gamerunknown said Zimmerman should go to jail regardless of a court verdict. > [@](#): > > **brazil84** > So you believe that even if Zimmerman’s story is 100% true, he should go to prison? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/372 "2012-04-11T22:47:14Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > See, I never stated or implied that according to **gamerununknown** , Zimmerman should go to jail regardless of a court verdict. > > Goodbye, liar. What the hell! Is this a joke, a big Pit joke that I just dont get? Yes you stated it, you stated it right there… > [@brazil84](#): > > So you believe that even if Zimmerman’s story is 100% true, he should go to prison? Come on, this guy can’t be serious, can he? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/373 "2012-04-11T22:50:44Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > What the hell! Is this a joke, a big Pit joke that I just dont get? Yes you stated it, you stated it right there… > > Come on, this guy can’t be serious, can he? Welcome to the list, liar. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/374 "2012-04-11T22:52:24Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > What the hell! Is this a joke, a big Pit joke that I just dont get? Yes you stated it, you stated it right there… My question said nothing about a verdict. > [@](#): > > Come on, this guy can’t be serious, can he? Probably you should ask that question about **gamerununknown**. Here’s what he said, in case you missed it: > [@](#): > > Presumably because whatever the verdict, they will know that Zimmerman is responsible for the death of an unarmed teenager. He admitted as such. In other countries, he’d be held culpable for murder on those grounds alone. If found guilty though, it may discourage others from carrying weapons or following people they find suspicious. It’s not 100% clear, but he seemed to be saying that solely based on Zimmerman’s admission to following and later shooting an unarmed teenager, and regardless of any extenuating circumstances, it would be better if Zimmerman were convicted (which presumably would result in a trip to prison). ETA: If you think I somehow misunderstood **gamerununknown** , perhaps you can explain what you understood him to be saying. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/375 "2012-04-11T22:55:02Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > My question said nothing about a verdict. > > Probably you should ask that question about **gamerununknown**. > > Here’s what he said, in case you missed it: > > It’s not 100% clear, but he seemed to be saying that solely based on Zimmerman’s admission to following and later shooting an unarmed teenager, and regardless of any extenuating circumstances, it would be better if Zimmerman were convicted (which presumably would result in a trip to prison). ETA: If you think I somehow misunderstood **gamerununknown** , perhaps you can explain what you understood him to be saying. He _was_ serious! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/376 "2012-04-12T00:53:21Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > He _was_ serious! :smack: Absolutely. But I didn’t say what you would apparently like to pretend that I said. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/377 "2012-04-12T01:07:17Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Yay. I’m in the club! Welcome, welcome! Fair warning though - it’s a pretty big club and not really exclusive. Pretty much anyone who has called him on his complete bullshit is in it, so that’s quite a few. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/378 "2012-04-12T01:14:05Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Absolutely. But I didn’t say what you would apparently like to pretend that I said. Yeah. Stop pretending Brazzy said what he didn’t say that you apparently think he said when he pretended to say what **gamerunknown** said that wasn’t what he said you said. You all like to pretend he said what you think he said even when what he said isn’t what they want to make it sound like he said when he said it. And shit. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/379 "2012-04-12T05:00:13Z")
Ha! That’s what she said! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108/380 "2012-04-12T09:04:06Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Yeah. > > Stop pretending Brazzy said what he didn’t say that you apparently think he said when he pretended to say what **gamerunknown** said that wasn’t what he said you said. You all like to pretend he said what you think he said even when what he said isn’t what they want to make it sound like he said when he said it. > > And shit. Lol, a brilliant rebuttal. > [@](#): > > Ha! That’s what she said! Lol, another brilliant rebuttal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-officially-pit-the-sanford-police-dept-and-their-cover-up/617108.md?page=20)