# time to split up the USA **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 1, 2013, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024 "2013-02-01T13:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/101 "2013-02-02T13:57:42Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I doubt if there will be much support here for nuclear-armed Rednecland or Texas. Should we split the nukes between the People’s Republic and New New England? So we had them for fifty years to protect everyone when the Russians were going to shoot at us, and now that we can shoot them at someone you are going to take them away? Besides, you’ve got to be a really, really [big hole](http://www.strategic-air-command.com/missiles/Titan/Titan_I_Missile_complex.htm) to put them in. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/102 "2013-02-02T14:30:58Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Just wait till you have to deal with illegal immigration from the CSA (Central States of America). Emigrants from the CSA will be their best people, a welcome addition. The ones who choose to stay will be the ones nobody but demagogues would want, so .. good match! ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/103 "2013-02-02T16:34:47Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > Free cities? Maybe. I’ll think about it. Hmmm.. okay, but they have to take their share of the debt, too. Germany used to have several of those. It seemed to work for them… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/104 "2013-02-02T16:42:05Z")
I’d love to see a split. For too long there has been a progressive America and a backward America and I’m getting tired of our southern half holding us back. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/105 "2013-02-02T18:11:02Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Emigrants from the CSA will be their best people, a welcome addition. The ones who choose to stay will be the ones nobody but demagogues would want, so .. good match! I should priobably point out that it doesn’t work like that today. In fact, it’s going the opposite way. The young, the bright, the ambitious aren’t flocking to Cali, Chi-town, and N’yawk despite the many advantages of those areas as cultual centers. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/106 "2013-02-02T18:57:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’d love to see a split. For too long there has been a progressive America and a backward America and I’m getting tired of our southern half holding us back. Hey, we tried to leave once! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/107 "2013-02-02T19:06:14Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Hey, we tried to leave once! 🙂 No; the white male aristocracy tried to leave. They didn’t ask their slaves what they wanted. For that matter, women didn’t have the vote either. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/108 "2013-02-02T19:10:30Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > In the liberal wet dream of all red states leaving the union\ “Liberal wet dream”? I’ve heard it far more often from the Right. It’s the _Right_ that idolizes the Confederacy and fantasizes about defeating the Federal government in an armed rebellion. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/109 "2013-02-02T19:15:09Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No; the white male aristocracy tried to leave. They didn’t ask their slaves what they wanted. For that matter, women didn’t have the vote either. Nitpick. Southern women, at least the white ones, were if anything, more pro-war then their menfolk. Mark Twain commented that none of the men in his town were going to refuse to fight because the women would shut them off(though he was a bit more delicate). During the 1960s, one of the more popular chants was “Girls say yes to guys who say no” but that certainly wasn’t true in the 1860s. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/110 "2013-02-02T20:05:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No; the white male aristocracy tried to leave. They didn’t ask their slaves what they wanted. For that matter, women didn’t have the vote either. Did women have the vote in the North? Did Maryland and Delaware seek advice of their slaves? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/111 "2013-02-02T20:21:21Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’d love to see a split. For too long there has been a progressive America and a backward America and I’m getting tired of our southern half holding us back. People aren’t really that divided along State lines. In much of the South 40-45% or more vote Dem in elections, and much of the South has been on the receiving end of 30+ years of Northern migration. These States will be dissimilar to their historical selves in a generation or so, so these outdated ideas of yours are basically ignorant and don’t reflect reality. If States like Virginia and North Carolina are backward, then so are pretty much all the other States, and aside from a few problem child states like Mississippi/Alabam/Louisiana what I say is true of most of the southern states, especially VA / NC / GA / FL. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024/112 "2013-02-02T23:12:25Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Please demonstrate. I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’m not convinced that there is a willingness to kill and die behind it. The only people from whom I see is an increase in extremist statements are political entertainers, who are presumably being deliberately provocative for ratings, and certain blowhard republican-voting guys, who sound to me like they are really just trying to get a rise out of the “libtards” in the room. Real life trolling, in other words. [http://voteview.com/blog/?p=494](http://voteview.com/blog/?p=494) Here, for instance. “Polarization is real and is asymmetrical.” This isn’t Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. This is Congress. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-to-split-up-the-usa/649024.md?page=5)