# "Timeless" New Time Travel Show **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 4, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613 "2016-10-04T03:05:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/142 "2016-12-09T03:42:21Z")
Does anyone else think that Rittenhouse was some founded by or because of time travellers and the whole thing will turn out to be a causal loop? > [@aceplace57](#): > > I wonder if their “expert” history professor will quickly get confused by the changes in history? She’s an expert in her own time line. It’s going to be difficult for her to keep up with what changes… Good point. So far it seems like the changes have been rather minor (outside of personal issues like siblings never having been born). As opposed to them coming back from a mission and finding that the US lost the Cold War and the President take’s his marching orders from Moscow. > [@Morbo](#): > > My suggestion for the Homeland Security lady in the Pilot episode: “Take the prototype ship, travel back a few hours to the parking lot, and kill everyone in the van.” Can they actually pick the Lifeboat’s destination? For some reason I thought they can only send it to approximately the same time/space location as the Mothership. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > BTW, it’s kind of awkward to have an African-American as part of the team when you’re on a mission in Nazi Germany. Makes it hard to blend in (even more so than the fact that only one of them spoke German). Thought it was pretty funny when in the 1970s Lucy had to wait outside the Black Panther hangout trying to look inconspicuous. > [@Santos\_L\_Halper](#): > > …I don’t think they’ve mentioned it, but I’m guessing there’s no way to travel into the future? And how much time traveling had they done before Flynn stole his machine? Flynn has to have traveled to the future at some point; he has a diary that Lucy’s yet to write. Then again he could’ve gotten if from someone who traveled from his future to his present. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/143 "2016-12-10T17:56:01Z")
I see the march toward Lucy and Wyatt pairing off has begun. I suppose it could work, but right now it comes off as somewhat obligatory, like the writers were checking off a box. (Rufus and Jiya seem much more genuine together.) My guess is that Lucy and Wyatt will grow closer and closer … right up until some change they make to the timeline causes Wyatt’s dead wife to be spared whatever fate originally befell her. Then she’s either going to turn out to be evil – possibly a Rittenhouse plant – or her death will turn out to be crucial to the timeline and the team will have to make sure she bites it all over again, putting Wyatt and Lucy back on track. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/144 "2016-12-10T20:23:17Z")
This latest episodes dilemma/mcguffin is easy to solve - for the first time, our team has a piece of information that Flynn’s team does not - the origin of the key that was around Bonnie;s neck. Now - if our team was smart - they would simply jump to an earlier slot and take the key -before- Clyde steals it for Bonnie. ---
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/145 "2016-12-11T04:17:46Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Flynn has to have traveled to the future at some point; he has a diary that Lucy’s yet to write. Then again he could’ve gotten if from someone who traveled from his future to his present. I think at some point Lucy’s going to lose the book in the past and Flynn will have come across it when he was tracking down info on Rittenhouse. Finding the book may be what actually tipped him off about the time machine and inspired him to steal it in the first place. > [@simster](#): > > Now - if our team was smart - they would simply jump to an earlier slot and take the key -before- Clyde steals it for Bonnie. Yeah it’d be nice to see them take the initiative rather than always just doing stuff in response to the moves Flynn makes. I would’ve liked to have seen Wyatt just shoot Bonnie and Clyde and take the key. What the heck, they’re going to be killed in the next few hours anyway, so what difference does it make to the timeline? 🙂 I’m not sure what the deal was the key however. Henry Ford announced a $50,000 reward to get it back. So presumably he needed it to access the scroll inside the clock. Couldn’t he have just busted the clock open? For that matter, couldn’t Flynn? ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/146 "2016-12-11T17:44:05Z")
> [@simster](#): > > This latest episodes dilemma/mcguffin is easy to solve - for the first time, our team has a piece of information that Flynn’s team does not - the origin of the key that was around Bonnie;s neck. > > Now - if our team was smart - they would simply jump to an earlier slot and take the key -before- Clyde steals it for Bonnie. Then what stops the bad guys from going back even further? Remember, changes made by one ship doesn’t affect anybody in the other - otherwise, the first episode makes no sense, as once the Hindenburg history changed, everybody would have immediately forgotten about what originally happened. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/147 "2016-12-12T01:35:50Z")
The people “back home” did forget. It was only the lady historian who remembered the “original” version. Their job isn’t so much to “fix” history as it is to patch it up so that it goes on “pretty much” as before. Full-up fixes are impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/148 "2016-12-13T03:17:53Z")
Credit to Timeless in, at least, giving George Washington a Virginia accent. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/149 "2016-12-14T06:18:00Z")
Those two generals dead? \* That’s\* gonna change the old timeline…:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/150 "2016-12-14T12:27:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Those two generals dead? \* That’s\* gonna change the old timeline…:eek: Not to mention David Rittwnhiuse. Now who’s going to establish the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland, or head the US Mint? Or, apparently, create a shadow government. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/151 "2016-12-14T12:51:07Z")
Was that Quark? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/152 "2016-12-14T14:26:34Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Was that Quark? Yep - Quark or Principal Snyder. His philosophy reminded me of the villains in Michael Flynn’s “Country of the Blind” ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/153 "2016-12-15T04:39:36Z")
So what happens if they change the timeline so much that time travel itself was never invented? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/154 "2016-12-15T05:07:01Z")
The guy at the head of the conspiracy was QUARK? Reminds me of a trilogy I once read where the main villain turned out to be a guy who seemed to be based on Steve (remember him) Forbes. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/155 "2016-12-15T05:37:37Z")
I will admit, I had no idea that there was a historical figure named Rittenhouse being referred to. I just assumed the writers of the show had picked something that sounded kind of interesting when they were naming the conspiracy group. I am learning while I am also being entertained! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/156 "2016-12-15T14:38:49Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > I am learning while I am also being entertained! I hate it when they trick us like that! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/157 "2016-12-15T16:00:26Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > The guy at the head of the conspiracy was QUARK? Reminds me of a trilogy I once read where the main villain turned out to be a guy who seemed to be based on Steve (remember him) Forbes. It was Quark. Now it’s his son. > [@Snooooopy](#): > > I will admit, I had no idea that there was a historical figure named Rittenhouse being referred to. I just assumed the writers of the show had picked something that sounded kind of interesting when they were naming the conspiracy group. I am learning while I am also being entertained! Somehow my knowledge of the time period never included David Rittenhouse. I thought it was going to have something to do with Rittenhouse Square in Philadelphia which I now realize is named after David Rittenhouse. [Here is an article](http://tvline.com/2016/12/12/timeless-recap-season-1-episode-10-flynn-kidnaps-lucy/) with some mild spoilers from the creators about the second half of the season. It talks about the general direction of the show but not too many specifics. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/158 "2016-12-15T16:05:18Z")
It’s funny how they chose to be very accurate with somethings and then totally make up others. David Rittenhouse did not have a son. Or one that lived past childbirth anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/159 "2016-12-15T17:43:10Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It was Quark. Now it’s his son. It really bugged me when they were arguing over whether or not to kill the Rittenhouse kid. Guys, you can remove him from the equation without killing him- _just take him back to the future with you_. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/160 "2016-12-15T17:48:49Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It’s funny how they chose to be very accurate with somethings and then totally make up others. David Rittenhouse did not have a son. Or one that lived past childbirth anyway. In _this_ timeline, you mean… ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613/161 "2016-12-15T18:19:37Z")
I really liked how Quark/Rittenshouse was portrayed. His leering and grabbing Lucy and suggestive questioning made everyone too shocked to see his real intentions, which was to confirm his suspicions and spring a trap. Guy was a lecherous bastard, but he was a smart and cunning lecherous bastard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timeless-new-time-travel-show/767613.md?page=9)