# Timothy McVeigh is rotting in his grave **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2005, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415 "2005-08-03T13:38:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/61 "2005-08-03T18:37:21Z")
Good thing his “globe of bubonic plague toxins” plan is so laughably ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/62 "2005-08-03T18:38:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Thank you thank you thank you for saying this. > > Onward. Please. Please tell me that you just read the OP and not the rest of this thread. Please. Rude as that is I refuse to believe that none of 50+ posts following it didn’t make an impression on you. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/63 "2005-08-03T18:42:41Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Why does something so simple and transparent have to be spelled out? Of interest to most Americans is current terrorism against America, its colonies, and its allies. Most of that takes place on foreign soil and is done by non-Americans. In most cases it may not have to be spelled out. But i’ve seen too many instances, over the past few years, of people making assertions that Muslims have some sort of unique, even congenital, predisposition towards terrorism. It’s worth reminding these morons that such a conclusion is only possible based on a very selective reading of the evidence. Also, just because most Americans might only give a shit about particular types of terrorism doesn’t mean that other types should be ignored simply to cater to their parochialism. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/64 "2005-08-03T18:57:29Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > Good thing his “globe of bubonic plague toxins” plan is so laughably ridiculous. Laughably ridiculous? The delivery method is borrowed from a test scenario carried out and proven effective (with harmless bacteriological agents) by the U.S. Army in the sixties. _Y pestis_ is relatively easily cultivated and aerosolized, and this method, carried off, _would_ result in devastating numbers of people coming down with pneunomic plague, with many more contracting secondary infections and bubonic plague. Harris was a microbiologist, had obtained cultures of _Y pestis_, and had the knowledge and equipment to cultivate them. Still laughing? No guffaws if someone places a light-bulb filled with _Y pestis_ or _Bacillus anthracis_ on the subway tracks – I promise. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/65 "2005-08-03T18:57:39Z")
America has colonies? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/66 "2005-08-03T19:05:15Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > America has colonies? Texas? Or perhaps that building we left on the moon. Other then that I’m curious as well. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/67 "2005-08-03T19:06:59Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Still laughing? No, not laughing. I had thought that the plague did its damage not by a “toxin”, like the botulism toxin, but by infecting people. So I thought “plague toxin” was nonsense. I also thought that the plague couldn’t easily spread person-to-person (I thought blood exchanges via fleas and such was necessary to spread it, and that casual contact wouldn’t), and that running over a globe of it in a train wouldn’t aerosolize it well enough to infect a lot of people. It looks like I was either completely wrong, half-wrong, or right, but only on irrelevant points. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/68 "2005-08-03T19:19:42Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > You know who’s _not_ dead? [Larry Wayne Harris](http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/special/1998/feb/19/506854794.html), and the many like-minded “patriots” and “christians” who think he’s a hero. Also: Dean Harvey Hicks - sentenced to 20 years in prison for targetting Los Angeles area IRS offices because they wouldn’t allow an $8000 deduction. Had his truck bomb of five 55-gallon drums of ANFO not fizzled, he’d be in the thread title instead of McVeigh. Oklahoma City would have been a firecracker in comparison. Charles Polk - arrested for plotting to blow up an IRS office in Austin, TX. Sentenced to 15 years. Joseph Baile - left a fertilizer bomb outside an IRS office in Reno. The bomb was a dud. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/69 "2005-08-03T19:23:33Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > I thought “plague toxin” was nonsense. Ah, I see. Of course, “plague toxin” is nonsense, but that quote is an FBI spokesperson’s somewhat mangled account of the plan. I can see how it might conjure images of an ignorant loon with a pipe-dream about carrying a B-movie-lish plexiglass sphere full of unobtainium, but it was a workable plan from someone who knew exactly what they were doing. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/70 "2005-08-03T19:25:04Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Also: > > Dean Harvey Hicks - sentenced to 20 years in prison for targetting Los Angeles area IRS offices > > Charles Polk - arrested for plotting to blow up an IRS office > > Joseph Baile - left a fertilizer bomb outside an IRS office I’m getting a sense of a pattern here. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/71 "2005-08-03T19:30:59Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I’m getting a sense of a pattern here. Yeah–there are people who don’t like the Government and, in particular, the IRS. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/72 "2005-08-03T19:31:08Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I’m getting a sense of a pattern here. Arabs hate the IRS? ---
**Author:** ![Hammer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bc79bd/32.png) [@Hammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hammer)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/73 "2005-08-03T19:50:23Z")
Actually I like Timothy being continually referenced. It re-enforces the point that he was caught, tried, convicted and executed by a group of his fellow Americans. How soon can we expect that from Osama’s peers? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/74 "2005-08-03T19:51:30Z")
In the same prison where McVeigh was executed is [Yu Kikumura](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_Kikumura), who intended to blow up the Navy recruiting office in NYC. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/75 "2005-08-03T20:38:05Z")
> [@Hammer](#): > > Actually I like Timothy being continually referenced. It re-enforces the point that he was caught, tried, convicted and executed by a group of his fellow Americans. How soon can we expect that from Osama’s peers? How long did it take to catch Eric Rudolph when we even knew what country he was in and he had few monetary resources to draw upon. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/76 "2005-08-03T20:45:34Z")
They caught [Karl Armstrong](http://www.leemark.com/featuredcontent/sterling/sterling.html) in Canada. It only took two years, despite Karlton’s obviously islamic name. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/77 "2005-08-03T20:46:08Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > America has colonies? I’m not savvy about the technical terms of political hegemonics. What is Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/78 "2005-08-03T20:50:20Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m not savvy about the technical terms of political hegemonics. What is Iraq? Probably more of a [client state](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_state) than a [colony](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/79 "2005-08-03T20:50:57Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m not savvy about the technical terms of political hegemonics. What is Iraq? Sovereign…officially. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415/80 "2005-08-03T20:52:22Z")
Tim McVeigh is merely a terrorist wannabee. He was a sad joke of a terrorist. The lack of subsequent action by any group in support of him attests to this fact. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/timothy-mcveigh-is-rotting-in-his-grave/315415.md?page=5)