# Tiny anomalies/artifacts found on the ground in Apollo photos **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 18, 2001, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835 "2001-08-18T00:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/321 "2001-09-04T20:25:25Z")
You tried, **Cervaise**. In fact, upon further reading and analyzation - I agree with you. I’m done with the wize-cracks. This is giving me the heebie-jeebies. ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/322 "2001-09-04T20:32:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by that\_darn\_cat \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > > …If it weren’t serious, and I was a nutcase, you wouldn’t even be here and this thread wouldn’t have over 6000 views. > > **Seethruart** the reason this thread has 6000 views is the same reason people rubberneck at traffic accidents and trainwrecks: sick curiosity. We know we should look away, but are fascinated by the horror of it all. Please seek help. \*\* LOL!!! That’s a good one. Got some more jokes? I really don’t care what their reason is for looking at this thread, as long as the hit counter at my site stays constantly in motion, I know I’m doing something right. Plus this is not the only place the link to my site is posted. I also leave links to this thread, so those who have no trouble seeing these anomalies, can see for themselves how many people there are who don’t want this reality to become known, and the levels they will stoop to in order to accomplish their devious goals. [http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart](http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart) This is one reality no one can stop. It will steam roll anyone who gets in the way. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/323 "2001-09-04T20:36:34Z")
> [@](#): > > This is one reality no one can stop. It will steam roll anyone who gets in the way. SeeThruArt is the steamroller to our Judge Doom… Luckily, i am a 'Toon, and steamrollers cannot hurt me! ---
**Author:** ![Papermache\_Prince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Papermache\_Prince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Papermache_Prince)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/324 "2001-09-04T20:38:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cervaise \* > \*\*I’ve read through this thread, beginning to end (twice, in fact), and I’ve made a couple of smart-alecky contributions here and there, mostly to ensure that any lurking readers don’t take this stuff any more seriously than it deserves, which is not at all. > —Heavy Editing----- > But I will say that if I knew you in real life, if I were a friend or relative, I would be pushing to have you involuntarily committed and evaluated. > > In a nutshell: Seethruart, you are not in touch with reality. Your brain is not working properly. You need to get help. Others in this thread may profess amusement at your “harmless” and vaguely entertaining delusions, but I’m saddened by the sight of someone so clearly drifting off into the black hole of insanity. > > Get psychiatric help. Seriously. \*\* I worked in mental health in Washington State and Massachusetts. In those states, and some others, mere delusional belief is not enough for involuntary hospitalization. The standard in those states is that the person must at risk of harm to self (suicidal or delusional “if I jump out the window, angels will protect me”), harm to others (“my mother is a Martian imposter and must be killed”), or gravely disabled (unable to provide for their daily needs - this is often strictly limited as well). I don’t intend to hijack this into a discussion of mental health laws. But before anyone assumes that involuntary hospitalization is easy in their state, they should get the correct information. ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/325 "2001-09-04T20:40:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > This is one reality no one can stop. It will steam roll anyone who gets in the way. > > SeeThruArt is the steamroller to our Judge Doom… > > Luckily, i am a 'Toon, and steamrollers cannot hurt me! \*\* The truth and the reality are the steamroller. I’m just one of the people you will see driving it. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/326 "2001-09-04T20:43:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Papermache Prince \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Cervaise \* > > \*\*I’ve read through this thread, beginning to end (twice, in fact), and I’ve made a couple of smart-alecky contributions here and there, mostly to ensure that any lurking readers don’t take this stuff any more seriously than it deserves, which is not at all. > > —Heavy Editing----- > > But I will say that if I knew you in real life, if I were a friend or relative, I would be pushing to have you involuntarily committed and evaluated. > > > > In a nutshell: Seethruart, you are not in touch with reality. Your brain is not working properly. You need to get help. Others in this thread may profess amusement at your “harmless” and vaguely entertaining delusions, but I’m saddened by the sight of someone so clearly drifting off into the black hole of insanity. > > > > Get psychiatric help. Seriously. \*\* > > I worked in mental health in Washington State and Massachusetts. In those states, and some others, mere delusional belief is not enough for involuntary hospitalization. The standard in those states is that the person must at risk of harm to self (suicidal or delusional “if I jump out the window, angels will protect me”), harm to others (“my mother is a Martian imposter and must be killed”), or gravely disabled (unable to provide for their daily needs - this is often strictly limited as well). > > I don’t intend to hijack this into a discussion of mental health laws. But before anyone assumes that involuntary hospitalization is easy in their state, they should get the correct information. \*\* The only ones who suffer from delusions here (not to mention denial), are the ones posting these types of messages. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/327 "2001-09-04T20:47:42Z")
I see you skipped more posts, cherry picking whom to answer is the best way to alienate a future jury. Again the courts will certify that your talk is cheap one. You have not checked the negatives and you have only blurry (fake) pictures enhanced by you. And I showed that you are lying even in your exposition of your facts, Nobody here or in the courts will think that you are right in your assumption that children will read in 5 years about the faked Apollo missions (want to bet on it?). You do not care what we say; unfortunately virtually all here can spot a fraud when we see one and our posts can not be erased by you, everybody else does read them and compares them to yours, everybody thinks you are not doing it right. The future generations will do the same. The current generation is actually worried about you, please seek help. ---
**Author:** ![NPavelka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/edb3f5/32.png) [@NPavelka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NPavelka)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/328 "2001-09-04T20:49:23Z")
Maybe it’s just all the conspiracy nut propaganda starting to sink in but I’m beginning to think that this guy is a plant from NASA to provide a story so insane that we will have to believe the opposite as sane people (but not me!)… They are using that martin reverse psychology on me and it isn’t going to work! I need to get my tin foil hat to protect me. But seriously… this has been the MOST entertaining thread I have read to date. Just lurking around until a Mod locks it down, or for the tennis/golf hijack to happen. Nicholas ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/329 "2001-09-04T21:42:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > **I guess you must give people credit for having the intelligence of a three year old, rather that crediting them with being able to think for themselves.** Just because a person can think for himself doesn’t necessarily mean he can do it well. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/330 "2001-09-04T21:45:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NPavelka \* > **But seriously… this has been the MOST entertaining thread I have read to date. Just lurking around until a Mod locks it down, or for the tennis/golf hijack to happen.** [Stereotypical Canadian] So, how about that Tiger Woods, eh? [/Stereotypical Canadian] ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/331 "2001-09-04T22:06:50Z")
So far, none of you have disproven anything. The only conspiracy theories in this thread are the ones participants create to make this terrible reality go away. “It must be a conspiracy!” you shout. “NASA would never lie!” you yell. My God people what kind of sedatives do they have you on? Do you not think others have eyes? Trying to trivialize it is just a devious little debunker tactic that has been all worn out. You people deny everything. You deny obvious and blatant things. You deny too much. You have to admit to something every now and then to be believable. I guess they forgot to teach that lesson in debunker training. I guess the worst part about this is, once you see it, no matter how hard you deny it publically, you will not be able to forget it. There is something about this reality that stays with you. I really had no choice other than to tell others about it. It would have eaten me alive otherwise (you will all find that out for yourselves). Getting grilled by clueless debunkers is a whole lot better than the alternative. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/332 "2001-09-04T22:20:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > **So far, none of you have disproven anything.** Nor have you proven anything. ---
**Author:** ![NPavelka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/edb3f5/32.png) [@NPavelka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NPavelka)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/333 "2001-09-04T22:24:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > \*\*So far, none of you have disproven anything. The only conspiracy theories in this thread are the ones participants create to make this terrible reality go away. “It must be a conspiracy!” you shout. “NASA would never lie!” you yell. My God people what kind of sedatives do they have you on? > \*\* Actuially as a scientist I should be looking at this with open eyes and an open mind… sorry for the humor injected, it was uncalled for. As for your topic… I have seen the photos and do have a bit of experience with digital image enlargment. How are you making up for the lost resolution from the actuial photo. I’ll admit that you have good high quality pictures but they are still nowhere near hi resolution photos. I am also intrigued by this unifying theory of the universe that you have derived… if you would be willing to share instead of just eluding to it I would be most grateful and promise to look at it with a completly open scientific mind. Hower you have been avoiding direct questions for some time now so I doubt that I’ll get a reply… and when a person dosen’t support their claims with open debate those claims tend to fall appart with out direct support… Nicholas ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/334 "2001-09-04T22:27:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > > **So far, none of you have disproven anything.** > > Nor have you proven anything. \*\* Actually, the photographic evidence proves my theory. I can pretty much put this steam roller on auto pilot and take a nap while it rolls all over you and the others here who are incapable of being forthright. Because of thart, I believe you are the proper representatives for NASA. [http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart](http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart) 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/335 "2001-09-04T22:44:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NPavelka \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > > \*\*So far, none of you have disproven anything. The only conspiracy theories in this thread are the ones participants create to make this terrible reality go away. “It must be a conspiracy!” you shout. “NASA would never lie!” you yell. My God people what kind of sedatives do they have you on? > > \*\* > > Actuially as a scientist I should be looking at this with open eyes and an open mind… sorry for the humor injected, it was uncalled for. \*\* Did you inject some humor? I must have missed it. The types and the multitude of anomalies I am pointing out don’t simply “appear” in a photo. IT’S THE ENTIRE GROUND IN EVERY PHOTO FROM EVERY APOLLO MISSION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! This is no random occurance, and that is what your theory is referring to. I guess as a scientist, you really don’t know much about “open eyes and open mind” do you? It sounded good though, didn’t it? 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![NPavelka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/edb3f5/32.png) [@NPavelka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NPavelka)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/336 "2001-09-04T22:51:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Did you inject some humor? I must have missed it. > > The types and the multitude of anomalies I am pointing out don’t simply “appear” in a photo. IT’S THE ENTIRE GROUND IN EVERY PHOTO FROM EVERY APOLLO MISSION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! This is no random occurance, and that is what your theory is referring to. Not quite… even the best data has to have expinations and theory backing it up. I coud present graphs and charts from the work I have done and it would be meaningless unless I supported it. That is what you are dooing, presenting data (photos) and then dancing around the atempts to discuss that data. You may call it debunking but all revolutionary theories have gone through this process. If you do want anyone to take this seriously… stand up and defend your theories. Nicholas ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/337 "2001-09-04T23:09:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by NPavelka > Not quite… even the best data has to have expinations and theory backing it up. I coud present graphs and charts from the work I have done and it would be meaningless unless I supported it. \*\* Scientific graphs and charts are a FAR CRY from photographic evidence, son. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by NPavelkaThat is what you are dooing, presenting data (photos) and then dancing around the atempts to discuss that data. \*\* You, in your scientific capacity, can call photographic EVIDENCE anything you want, but even in your scientific capacity, you can not change the fact that it is photographic EVIDENCE. Not just any photographic evidence, but official US Government/NASA photographic evidence. That puts your little charts and graphs and data in the dust (where it belongs). > [@](#): > > Originally posted by NPavelkaYou may call it debunking but all revolutionary theories have gone through this process. \*\* I believe more truth has been silenced in your bogus scientific process than, anything else. There is definately nothing revolutionary going on now. Most of you turn a blind eye to any idea that doesn’t fit into your cozy little “unsubstantiated” theories. > [@](#): > > If you do want anyone to take this seriously… stand up and defend your theories. > > Nicholas \*\* Son, I am letting the evidence defend itself. If people don’t take this seriously (many already do take it seriously), it will only hurt them, not me (because they will continue to let themselves be led by a pack of liars). There are no scientists on earth these days who could tell me anything, and expect me to believe it. I’ve seen bogus earth science for what it is…a crock of dung. Coming on this board as a scientist holds no weight with me, nor does it change the reality of the faked apollo photos. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/338 "2001-09-04T23:11:12Z")
So you’re saying that this [photo](http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001484.jpg) and this [photo](http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/as17-137-21009.jpg) were both taken from high altitude? (In reality, only the first image was taken from high altitude.) And you really think the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire might be artificial, a sculpture, like Mount Rushmore? So who carved the Old Man, pray tell, if it was known even to the Indians who lived there even before Leif Erickson crossed the Atlantic? ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/339 "2001-09-04T23:19:35Z")
> [@](#): > > And you really think the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire might be artificial, a sculpture, like Mount Rushmore? So who carved the Old Man, pray tell, if it was known even to the Indians who lived there even before Leif Erickson crossed the Atlantic? \*\* I take it you are of the belief that, earth humans are the only intelligent life in the galaxy, and there was never anyone on this earth before the indians. I guess that would explain your naivety. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Syzygy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Syzygy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syzygy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/340 "2001-09-04T23:24:46Z")
So all I need to prove a theory is a photograph? I urge you to look into the “faerie” hoax perpetrated by two **adolescent girls** , in which they used paper cutouts to fool hundreds of people that they had fairies traipsing around their back yard. Even Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, respected author of the Sherlock Holmes stories, was taken by their charade. And they had the **original physical photographs** to back up their claims. So you’re asking us to believe **your** claim that the Apollo moon landing was a hoax based on digital copies of photos **you’ve never had physical copies of?** And I’m not referring to even your best digital scan as printed on the best printer you can lay your hands on. I’m talking about the **original prints** - the ones that were scanned to produce the images on your website. My point is this: You say that you’ve proved your theory by offering photographic evidence, which is unassailable even in a court of law. Yet, hoaxes have been propagated based on so-called unassailable photographic evidence, using images that were **better then yours!** How are we to believe you, unless you disprove our theory that we did in fact send men to the moon and took pictures as we walked around? The onus of proof is on you, not on us. 😃 Scott [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835.md?page=18)