# Tiny anomalies/artifacts found on the ground in Apollo photos **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 18, 2001, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835 "2001-08-18T00:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/361 "2001-09-05T00:44:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GIGObuster \* > \*\*According to Seethruart Boeing is another liar: > [http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/apollo11/iworked.html](http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/apollo11/iworked.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > Those were exciting times! Apollo 11 was my first software job. I was fresh out of school and hired by Grumman to work on the lunar module project in the flight mission engineering simulation lab. We were able to “fly” actual descent and ascent scenarios of the lunar module landing on the moon, then lifting off of the moon’s surface, and finally rendezvousing with the command module. I experienced firsthand what the astronauts would experience when the landing took place. You might say I was one of the first to experience what it was like to maneuver and control the vehicle that eventually was to land on the moon. Before it was all over, we had logged over 1,000 simulated moon landings prior to the actual landing. I’m happy to be one of those whose names were left on the moon. – Paul Arnold, software process improvement manager (Grumman employee during Apollo program) > > Notice that I am avoiding NASA in all the memories I am quoting. \*\* I never said equipment wasn’t built, and flights weren’t simulated (nor do I think anyone else did). I am mainly saying (and proving) the apollo photos are fake. Your post really doesn’t have a darn thing to do with any of that. I guess you knew that. Trying to assassinate my character, and confuse people is about all any of you have left. I have talked with people who built equipment and that’s ALL they did. They were not part of the fake, because they were only doing their jobs. They would not need to know that NASA was going to fake the moon landings to do their jobs. Anyway, it wouldn’t have been much of a fake with out equipment being bulit and simulations being done, and rockets launching into space. Everyone would have known right off the bat then. The way NASA faked it lasted over 30 years and could have lasted forever had a few people not come along and raised question that made a lot of other people look more closely at how it was all done (or more factually, how it was faked). 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/362 "2001-09-05T00:51:27Z")
[http://www.wherewereyou.com/](http://www.wherewereyou.com/) > [@](#): > > (A little girl is launched . . .) > > I remember very vividly being six years old, watching black and white television, transfixed with my parents to the screen. We, and the world were watching. > > Apollo 11 was everywhere, newspapers, radio, TV, on the neighbors lips, news floating throughout the air. Literally!! > > But what I remembered that has burned in my memory is a very special pride that I felt later that summer. My father was a research scientist and my mother a doctor, and they took me to Cape Canaveral, Cape Kennedy Space Center, in Florida, and we toured the facility. I remember the area where they showed us mission control. I remember the feeling of the enormity of the hangar. How could any building be so big! I remember the gigantic computers. And then, there was the solid concrete building facility that they brought us to, outside the hangar, outside the main building. This thick gray solid building, with blue-gray stairs, all concrete and metal, that they took us into and upstairs, was the building that contained the systems that initiated the Apollo 11 launch. There were about 15 people in our tour group. The computer systems were roped off, so we could look but not touch. I was fascinated. In tremendous reverence, the tour guide explained what we were looking at. Then he motioned to me, and asked me to come forward. I was wearing a red, white and blue hot pants outfit that was very patriotic. He was impressed with my young patriotism and interest and he asked me to press the red button which had been the key that initiated the Apollo 11 launch!! Never had I dreamed I would see or touch something so significant. A connection with space, with flight, with dreams. A simple touch of a key can turn dreams into reality. I was so proud! A little Asian girl with a china doll haircut who’s only colors she could see were red, white, and blue–to be able to touch, I thought, a link from the Earth to space. > > That fueled my passion for computers, technology, and aerospace. Now, I am an aerospace structural engineer! ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/363 "2001-09-05T01:12:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GIGObuster \* > \*\*[http://www.wherewereyou.com/](http://www.wherewereyou.com/) > > > [@](#): > > > > (A little girl is launched . . .) > > > > I remember very vividly being six years old, watching black and white television, transfixed with my parents to the screen. We, and the world were watching. > > > > Apollo 11 was everywhere, newspapers, radio, TV, on the neighbors lips, news floating throughout the air. Literally!! > > > > But what I remembered that has burned in my memory is a very special pride that I felt later that summer. My father was a research scientist and my mother a doctor, and they took me to Cape Canaveral, Cape Kennedy Space Center, in Florida, and we toured the facility. I remember the area where they showed us mission control. I remember the feeling of the enormity of the hangar. How could any building be so big! I remember the gigantic computers. And then, there was the solid concrete building facility that they brought us to, outside the hangar, outside the main building. This thick gray solid building, with blue-gray stairs, all concrete and metal, that they took us into and upstairs, was the building that contained the systems that initiated the Apollo 11 launch. There were about 15 people in our tour group. The computer systems were roped off, so we could look but not touch. I was fascinated. In tremendous reverence, the tour guide explained what we were looking at. Then he motioned to me, and asked me to come forward. I was wearing a red, white and blue hot pants outfit that was very patriotic. He was impressed with my young patriotism and interest and he asked me to press the red button which had been the key that initiated the Apollo 11 launch!! Never had I dreamed I would see or touch something so significant. A connection with space, with flight, with dreams. A simple touch of a key can turn dreams into reality. I was so proud! A little Asian girl with a china doll haircut who’s only colors she could see were red, white, and blue–to be able to touch, I thought, a link from the Earth to space. > > > > That fueled my passion for computers, technology, and aerospace. Now, I am an aerospace structural engineer! > > \*\* I was 10 or 11 when the first Apollo mission took place. I also watched it live on TV. I believed it then too and for many years afterwards. I now know it was a hoax. All the memories in the world will not change that fact now. Nor will it make any of this go away… [http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart](http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart) 🙂 Seethruat ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/364 "2001-09-05T01:19:35Z")
> **[MSNBC News - Breaking News and News Today | Latest News](https://www.msnbc.com/)** > > MSNBC breaking news and the latest news for today. Get daily news from local news reporters and world news updates with live audio & video from our team. > [@](#): > > When the day came that Neil Armstrong was ready to step out of the lunar module Eagle and make his historic walk on the moon, top Soviet scientists and cosmonauts gathered to view the event via a bootleg cable hook-up from Europe. > “We were delighted as engineers as they had done wonderful work,” said Chertok, deputy for 20 years to Sergei Korolyov, the father of the Soviet rocket program. “But on the other hand we felt disappointment. Why them and not us? It was bitter.” > Soviet television did not broadcast live images of Armstrong on the moon and Soviet daily Pravda carried only a brief mention of the historic walk on the front page. Inside, after extensive coverage of 25 years of Polish socialism, the paper offered another article and a fuzzy photo taken from a television image of Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the moon. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/365 "2001-09-05T01:21:58Z")
* * * Piper, this message is for you alone. Only you can see this post. Your efforts to convince the masses is falling upon deaf ears. You must discover why nobody believes you. You must take your information to those who study the mind itself. You must take your findings to a psychologist. They will help you in your effort to make this information known. Only they can help you. Go now, and see what you can learn from them. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/366 "2001-09-05T01:36:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sofa King \* > > * * * > > Piper, this message is for you alone. Only you can see this post. > > Your efforts to convince the masses is falling upon deaf ears. You must discover why nobody believes you. > > You must take your information to those who study the mind itself. You must take your findings to a psychologist. > > They will help you in your effort to make this information known. Only they can help you. Go now, and see what you can learn from them. > > * * * LOL!!! My site is hit every second. This had definately not fallen on deaf ears. Your low life messages are not falling on blind eyes either. You are a just scared little rabbit, with nothing but low life character assassination to fall back on. You try to pretend you are intelligent in one thread, and then stoop to the bottom of the barrel in another. It’s pathetic to watch you people try to make this reality go away. You have to be one of the most pathetic of all. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/367 "2001-09-05T02:04:36Z")
Seethruart wrote: > [@](#): > > The types and the multitude of anomalies I am pointing out don’t simply “appear” in a photo. IT’S THE ENTIRE GROUND IN EVERY PHOTO FROM EVERY APOLLO MISSION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Are these anomalies also present in photos from the Apollo 8 and/or Apollo 10 missions? ---
**Author:** ![Atreyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@Atreyu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atreyu)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/368 "2001-09-05T02:12:08Z")
[singing] Round and round we go in the circle game… [/singing] ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/369 "2001-09-05T02:36:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*Seethruart wrote: > > > [@](#): > > > > The types and the multitude of anomalies I am pointing out don’t simply “appear” in a photo. IT’S THE ENTIRE GROUND IN EVERY PHOTO FROM EVERY APOLLO MISSION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! > > Are these anomalies also present in photos from the Apollo 8 and/or Apollo 10 missions? \*\* Apollo 8 and 10 were not landing missions. I am only concentrating on the fake landing photos. You will have to discuss the other missions with someone else. There are many aspects to this fake, and the aspect I focus on is the landing photos. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/370 "2001-09-05T02:38:45Z")
To be more specific, the aspect I focus on is, the “supposed ground” in lunar landing photos. [http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart](http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart) 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/371 "2001-09-05T02:57:18Z")
\*\*OH GOD, NO!!! IT’S THE TRUTH!! GET IT OFF! IT HURTS - OH SWEET JESUS IT HURTS!! \*\* I know, I know, I said I’d stop cracking wise but I’m getting a little perturbed. Listen **Seethru** , I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt for not being crazy – and I’m still not convinced this isn’t a big put on. I asked you to seek professional help on the chance that you _are_ delusional. I explained to you in simple terms why your circular arguments are maddening to those trying to fight ignorance. If you’d like to whip all your doomsday bull-hooey about the truth will crush me and all that falderal, feel free. I’ll be in Atlantis with Bigfoot and John F. Kennedy if you need me. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/372 "2001-09-05T03:07:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > \*\*\*\*OH GOD, NO!!! IT’S THE TRUTH!! > > GET IT OFF! IT HURTS - OH SWEET JESUS IT HURTS!! > \*\* > I know, I know, I said I’d stop cracking wise but I’m getting a little perturbed. > > Listen **Seethru** , I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt for not being crazy – and I’m still not convinced this isn’t a big put on. > I asked you to seek professional help on the chance that you _are_ delusional. > I explained to you in simple terms why your circular arguments are maddening to those trying to fight ignorance. > > If you’d like to whip all your doomsday bull-hooey about the truth will crush me and all that falderal, feel free. > > I’ll be in Atlantis with Bigfoot and John F. Kennedy if you need me. > > :rolleyes: \*\* If you don’t like it then, don’t participate in the thread. Do you think whining about it will gain you any sympathy from me? Do you think you didn’t make it clear the last time you posted? Do you need attention? It sure seems like it. I’m sure there are some people who think you are cute. I am not one of them. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/373 "2001-09-05T03:11:05Z")
Look people, why are we bothering? As has been discussed extensively, this guy is either a troll or suffering quite severe delusions. Those posters who are continuing to argue logically with him as if it has any meaning or purpose are in danger of looking like fools themselves, surely? The thing about people who suffer from delusions is, they’re delusional. In my limited experience of them, it’s very tempting to go on trying to argue sense into them. We are so used to dealing with (reasonably) rational people that we find it hard to avoid feeling that if we can just explain something well enough and clearly enough to a delusional person, they’ll see through their own delusion. They won’t. Because they’re delusional. It’s particularly hard to avoid feeling this way because many delusional people function perfectly well in most ways. One of my neighbors is intelligent, well-informed, eloquent and obsessive compulsive about one particular aspect of life which I won’t go into. It took me ages to convince myself that despite the fact that it seems you can and should be able to argue with him about his particular behavioural problem, you may as well talk to a wall. Why not just stop posting and let this sad thread die? ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/374 "2001-09-05T03:28:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Princhester \* > \*\* > Why not just stop posting and let this sad thread die? \*\* Because it’s not only a sad thread, it’s a sad truth that simply can’t be ignored. This will eventually have to be addressed directly by NASA and the US Government. Until then, it will be in your face. Your unwarranted character assassination of me will not make this sad truth die. This sad truth will live in infamy for as long as the United States exists. If you want to try and prove something about the bogus Apollo missions then, try addressing the long range anomalies on the supposed ground in Apollo photos, and stop ignoring it. If nothing were there this thread would have died as soon as it started. Look again, or would you rather be like the previous uninformed poster who refused to look at the photos, because she knew for certain Apollo 13 landed on the moon? (those are exactly the kind of followers NASA is looking for). [http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart](http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=seethruart) 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/375 "2001-09-05T03:32:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > [B > I’m sure there are some people who think you are cute. > > I am not one of them. > \*\* Cool. Let’s have a poll. Who thinks I’m cute? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Syzygy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syzygy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/376 "2001-09-05T03:34:03Z")
Yes stop posting (after this post, of course) and for the love of God, stop visiting his site! He seems to think that we’re all stopping by just to stand in awe of his wonderful revelation. [Paul Anka] Just don’t look! Just don’t look! [/Paul Anka] Bye forever. I hope you got what you wanted. You know who you are. ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/377 "2001-09-05T03:35:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > > [B > > I’m sure there are some people who think you are cute. > > > > I am not one of them. > > \*\* > > Cool. Let’s have a poll. Who thinks I’m cute? \*\* That sounds good. Between each response, I will make a speech and leave a link to my site. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![Seethruart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Seethruart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seethruart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/378 "2001-09-05T04:17:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scott \* > \*\*Yes stop posting (after this post, of course) and for the love of God, stop visiting his site! He seems to think that we’re all stopping by just to stand in awe of his wonderful revelation. > > [Paul Anka] > Just don’t look! Just don’t look! > [/Paul Anka] > > Bye forever. I hope you got what you wanted. You know who you are. \*\* Scotty, I know you won’t see this (because you are afraid to look), but not looking at the truth, will not make the truth go away. I find it strange that I have to explain that to a group of “adults?” You would love for people to stop visiting my site wouldn’t you? Then they wouldn’t see the truth that you are so afraid of, would they? Even that won’t make it go away. This is not “my” wonderful revelation. In fact, there is nothing wonderful about it (though it is fascinating). It is however, a strange and sad truth. Though, I believe once it’s accepted, good will come from it. Until then, there will only be turmoil, and eventually chaos if it is not reconciled. When I first dicovered this, I was the only one who knew. Then I showed my close friends and relatives and more people knew, then I showed people on the internet, and more people knew. Now all kinds of people know. They aren’t talking about it here (and I can’t blame them) but they are talking about it. Finding out a major aspect of how the moon photos were faked is not something you experience everyday, and it’s hard not to tell people, and talk to people about it. The average person has no reason not to look at the evidence. Most don’t trust the government anyway, and when I tell them I have evidence that the moon photos were faked, many say “hell, I already figured the moon landings were faked.” Everyone who sees the photos gets pissed off at NASA and the US Government (not me). NASA worshipping debunkers are really the only tough audience I have to deal with. Most people are receptive to the news. 🙂 Seethruart ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/379 "2001-09-05T04:27:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seethruart \* > **"NASA would never lie!" you yell. My God people what kind of sedatives do they have you on?** I haven’t seen anyone say that NASA wouldn’t lie… we’ve just said that the stuff in your photos is the same as the stuff people see everywhere. There is a knot in the wood ceiling at my family’s summer cottage that looks _just_ like a baby seal’s head. Is this proof of something? There is a log with a branch shaped like a squirrel near my house. Ooooh, spooky. With all the rocks and lumps of dirt, and all the ways the light can fall, it’s inevitable that some things may look sort of like other things sometimes. The stuff you’ve shown isn’t even that representative though… I’ve seen rocks in my own backyard that look more like spaceships than the things in your photos. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835/380 "2001-09-05T04:28:18Z")
Most people are receptive? Jesus, just where the hell do you hang out? [sub] 😕 - NASA worshippers??[/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tiny-anomalies-artifacts-found-on-the-ground-in-apollo-photos/76835.md?page=20)