# Tipping in America: the insult tip **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226 "2017-08-20T23:14:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/301 "2017-08-28T10:37:58Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Everyone makes _at least_ the minimum wage. Even farmworkers exempt from federal minimum wage law? You _are_ a fucking idiot. Goodbye. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/302 "2017-08-28T12:05:02Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > The cite is not invalid. The data was sourced via recognised survey applications. Just because you happen to disagree with the outcome/s does not mean the cite is invalid. Again, since you’re foreign, you probably don’t know who these people are. Did you read the biographies of the Board of Directors? Head of the AFL-CIO. Co-Director of the Industrial Areas Foundation, started by Saul Alinsky. President of the NEA. President of the United Steelworkers. President of the SEIU. President of the IAM. President of the National Partnership for Women and Families. President of AFSCME. President of the Communications Workers of America. President of the American Federation of Teachers. President of the UAW. Chair of the DNC. You don’t think that this group might be ever so slightly biased? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/303 "2017-08-28T13:21:03Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Even farmworkers exempt from federal minimum wage law? I knew that one of you idiots would bring up the exemption(s). However, this thread was about waitresses, not farmers. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/304 "2017-08-28T15:02:54Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s NOT an excellent cite. > > Did you look at their Board of Directors? > > Richard Trumka > Keith Ellison > Tom Perez > Robert Reich > > You don’t think that they might be just a teeny bit biased? My god you’re a fucking idiot. I defended you earlier in the thread, because your point about the law requiring everyone to paid at least $7.25 is not only correct but, i think, relevant to the discussion. That’s a point worth making, because even in tipped industries employers are, in the end, responsible for ensuring that all employees receive at least minimum wage. But for you to deny that there are employers who ignore or violate the minimum wage laws is beyond idiotic. The same Department of Labor that you’ve been relying on to support your argument about minimum wage laws also has, [on its website](https://www.dol.gov/whd/media/press/whdprssToc.asp?law=FLSA#CurrentLaw), news releases about dozens of cases from this year alone where companies have been found to violate the Fair Labor Standards Act. I thought you were being dogmatic about the legal issue in order to make a point about the importance of the law itself. From now on, when i’m tempted to give you the benefit of the doubt, i’ll remind myself that your default state is TROLL. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/305 "2017-08-28T15:14:59Z")
If you think that an organization made up of union leaders and other ragtag leftists is unbiased, I currently have a bridge for sale in New York. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/306 "2017-08-28T15:17:14Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > If you think that an organization made up of union leaders and other ragtag leftists is unbiased, I currently have a bridge for sale in New York. ragtag leftists? That’s not very nice. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/307 "2017-08-28T15:42:31Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > ragtag leftists? That’s not very nice. It’s also the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Rosvirein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Rosvirein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rosvirein)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/308 "2017-08-28T15:45:04Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > If you think that an organization made up of union leaders and other ragtag leftists is unbiased, I currently have a bridge for sale in New York. The US Department of Labor is “made up of union leaders and other ragtag leftists”? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/309 "2017-08-28T15:47:47Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s also the Pit. . Yeah, but what do you have against leftists? We’re fun and interesting. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/310 "2017-08-28T16:02:30Z")
> [@Rosvirein](#): > > The US Department of Labor is “made up of union leaders and other ragtag leftists”? :dubious: No, the EPI is, which running coach feebly tried to use as a cite. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/311 "2017-08-28T16:32:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yeah, but what do you have against leftists? We’re fun and interesting. Neither fun nor interesting would be terms I would use to describe them. > **[Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/)** > > Antifa activists told CNN their goal is peace and inclusivity. But often, their methods are violent. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/312 "2017-08-28T16:42:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Neither fun nor interesting would be terms I would use to describe them. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/](http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/) Those people are not on the Board of Directors you were referring to as ragtag leftists. > [@](#): > > If you think that an organization made up of union leaders and other ragtag leftists is unbiased, I currently have a bridge for sale in New York. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/313 "2017-08-28T16:52:46Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Neither fun nor interesting would be terms I would use to describe them. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/](http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/) More of a Nazi sorta guy? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/314 "2017-08-28T18:00:20Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Again, since you’re foreign, you probably don’t know who these people are. Did you read the biographies of the Board of Directors? > > Head of the AFL-CIO. > Co-Director of the Industrial Areas Foundation, started by Saul Alinsky. > President of the NEA. > President of the United Steelworkers. > President of the SEIU. > President of the IAM. > President of the National Partnership for Women and Families. > President of AFSCME. > President of the Communications Workers of America. > President of the American Federation of Teachers. > President of the UAW. > Chair of the DNC. > > You don’t think that this group might be ever so slightly biased? Well, _everybody_ has biases, so all we have are fake facts, I guess. :dubious: I’m sure they’re baised in terms of what issues they choose to examine. I bet they’ve never given equal time to investigating the abuses that big corporations have to put up with in this country. :rolleyes: But unless you’ve got evidence that this particular report’s findings were incorrect, or that this organization has a track record of peddling crap, then you’ve got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/315 "2017-08-28T20:30:26Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Nope. The person making the claim has to provide a valid cite, it’s not up to others to provide a contrary cite. Oh, please. What a bullshit, _convenient_ rule made up because you can’t support your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/316 "2017-08-28T20:41:51Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Not true. In the U.S., all employees must be paid the federal or state minimum wage, whichever is higher. That is true. You know what else is true? If you try to claim that money from your employer, you’ll get fired. They won’t fire you specifically for that, but you will absolutely get fired for some bullshit reason. As a bonus, in a smaller town you’ll quickly find out that you now have a reputation, and then you won’t get hired by anyone else either. So yes, you can get minimum wage, but only if **you are willing to commit career suicide.** Savvy? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/317 "2017-08-28T22:08:45Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > If you think that an organization made up of union leaders and other ragtag leftists is unbiased, I currently have a bridge for sale in New York. Yes, you probably think you do… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/318 "2017-08-28T22:22:41Z")
It’s almost official. This thread has nosedived. ---
**Author:** ![oscarhopper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/eada6e/32.png) [@oscarhopper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oscarhopper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/319 "2017-08-28T23:34:01Z")
Munch is absolutely right. As someone who has worked in the food service industry, what you didn’t was unacceatable. The poor server who had nothing to do with the preparation of your food got a nickel as a tip because of something they didn’t even do. If I were you I’d apologize to the server IN person. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/320 "2017-08-28T23:37:50Z")
> [@oscarhopper](#): > > Munch is absolutely right. As someone who has worked in the food service industry, what you didn’t was unacceatable. The poor server who had nothing to do with the preparation of your food got a nickel as a tip because of something they didn’t even do. If I were you I’d apologize to the server IN person. The OP is several states away from the server by now and maybe on his way back to the UK. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226.md?page=17)