# Tipping in America: the insult tip **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226 "2017-08-20T23:14:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/321 "2017-08-28T23:45:35Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I currently have a bridge for sale in New York. The one you live under? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/322 "2017-08-29T02:28:37Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > The one you live under? _Pffffffft!_ All sins in this life absolved. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/323 "2017-08-29T02:36:19Z")
My sister loves - in kind of a grim way - telling the story of once going out to a nice restaurant with some friends. They waited a long time to be seated. The waiter ignored them for awhile. The food was then a long time in coming, and just about every order was wrong in one way or another. By the end of the evening, by agreement, they each left a single penny as a tip. When they left, the waiter made a beeline to the door to say to them all, very sarcastically, “Oh, thank you _so_ much.” My sister replied, “Oh, you are _so_ welcome!” ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/324 "2017-08-29T09:26:23Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > **D’Anconia** is a [mierenneuker](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=834769). 🙂 > [@Helena330](#): > > **runningcoach** posted an excellent cite that appears to have been ignored! > > [http://www.epi.org/publication/employers-steal-billions-from-workers-paychecks-each-year-survey-data-show-millions-of-workers-are-paid-less-than-the-minimum-wage-at-significant-cost-to-taxpayers-and-state-economies/](http://www.epi.org/publication/employers-steal-billions-from-workers-paychecks-each-year-survey-data-show-millions-of-workers-are-paid-less-than-the-minimum-wage-at-significant-cost-to-taxpayers-and-state-economies/) > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s NOT an excellent cite. > > Did you look at their Board of Directors? > > Richard Trumka > Keith Ellison > Tom Perez > Robert Reich > > You don’t think that they might be just a teeny bit biased? > [@kambuckta](#): > > Ok \> Village Cretin, how about YOU provide one to the contrary then? > > And just to be totally clear, I want you to provide a cite that EVERY person working in the US is being paid according to the minimum wage legislation. EVERY PERSON. I can wait…I have all the time in the world. > > And I mean a published CITE, not something you heard from Aunt Bessie or Cousin Ike down in the boonies from which you crawled. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s not up to me to provide a contrary cite. > > Do you even know who those people are? > > Union thugs, the head of the DNC, and a Clintonista. > > It’s not an “excellent” cite, by any means. > [@kambuckta](#): > > Yeah, it is actually. You called out the creds of the original cite, I asked you to provide one showing contrary results. > > Can’t do? Didn’t think so. Village idiots don’t know much about shit like this. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Nope. The person making the claim has to provide a valid cite, it’s not up to others to provide a contrary cite. > [@kambuckta](#): > > The cite is not invalid. The data was sourced via recognised survey applications. Just because you happen to disagree with the outcome/s does not mean the cite is invalid. > > So, Village Cretin, try again… > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Again, since you’re foreign, you probably don’t know who these people are. Did you read the biographies of the Board of Directors? > > Head of the AFL-CIO. > Co-Director of the Industrial Areas Foundation, started by Saul Alinsky. > President of the NEA. > President of the United Steelworkers. > President of the SEIU. > President of the IAM. > President of the National Partnership for Women and Families. > President of AFSCME. > President of the Communications Workers of America. > President of the American Federation of Teachers. > President of the UAW. > Chair of the DNC. > > You don’t think that this group might be ever so slightly biased? I put it to this board that D’Anconia does not argue in true faith. I am not calling him/her a troll, but his/her board behaviour does not promote honest discourse in any way. Regardless of his/her political leanings (and I have NO idea what they might be, given the nature of his/her posts) I think interacting with D’Anconia is a waste of fucking time and a waste of bandwith and a waste of oxygen…YMMV of course, but I am done. 🙂 😛 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/325 "2017-08-29T09:59:21Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I put it to this board that D’Anconia does not argue in true faith. I am not calling him/her a troll, but his/her board behaviour does not promote honest discourse in any way. Yes you are. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/326 "2017-08-29T15:16:31Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I put it to this board that D’Anconia does not argue in true faith. I am not calling him/her a troll, but his/her board behaviour does not promote honest discourse in any way. Regardless of his/her political leanings (and I have NO idea what they might be, given the nature of his/her posts) I think interacting with D’Anconia is a waste of fucking time and a waste of bandwith and a waste of oxygen…YMMV of course, but I am done. 🙂 😛 😃 This is the Pit, you can absolutely call them a troll; I have and will continue to do so. I heartily encourage the other posters to stop pouring troll chow down its throat. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/327 "2017-08-29T17:51:22Z")
So, any more tipping or other adventures,\*\* Quartz\*\*? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/328 "2017-08-29T18:38:15Z")
I mean, it’s either troll or an inability to understand the most basic aspects of the world. I’d know I’d rather be called a troll than being called stupid. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/329 "2017-08-29T19:12:46Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I mean, it’s either troll or an inability to understand the most basic aspects of the world. I’d know I’d rather be called a troll than being called stupid. Francisco D’Anconia is a character in _Atlas Shrugged_, one of John Galt’s buddies. So our friend **D’Anconia** , being a libertarian and a Randite, is simply out of touch with reality. That isn’t ‘stupid’ _per se_, but it comes to the same result. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/330 "2017-08-30T03:53:10Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Oh, please. What a bullshit, _convenient_ rule made up because you can’t support your claim. It’s not a convenient rule I made up, it’s how debates work. How do you NOT know this? Are you twelve? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/331 "2017-08-30T04:51:43Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, I know what average, medium, and mean, are. But there’s also a minimum, which is the federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. > > Everyone makes _at least_ the minimum wage. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s not a convenient rule I made up, it’s how debates work. How do you NOT know this? Are you twelve? You made this claim, but you have failed to support it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/332 "2017-08-30T04:52:15Z")
Dismissing a citation with a so-called “impeachment” of the citation based on nothing more than _ad hominem_ attack on the source is absolutely NOT “how debates work.” It’s how they go off the rails. Feel free to subject such sources to closer scrutiny, if you wish, but “how debates work” obligates you to evaluate their assertions in good faith. Not that I expect the likes of _you_ to understand, or to adhere to such principles. ETA: Please step aside, **Colibri** ; I’m trying to heap some opprobrium on **D’Anconia** , here. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/333 "2017-08-30T15:46:29Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So our friend **D’Anconia** , being a libertarian and a Randite, is simply out of touch with reality. That isn’t ‘stupid’ _per se_, but it comes to the same result. Alas, if only it were that simple. The degree of active avoidance of reality massively transcends mere stupidity. Also, as pointed out in other contexts, “stupid” and “troll” are not mutually exclusive. I’m pretty sure that’s what **D’Anconia** is proving right now. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/334 "2017-08-30T16:15:20Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I’m pretty sure that’s what **D’Anconia** is proving right now. That howl of outrage you heard was stupid trolls worldwide objecting to being lumped together with **D’Anconia**. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/335 "2017-08-30T17:18:11Z")
Now you have more flexibility with your insult tip: > [@](#): > > Tipping the Kitchen: Innovations in Compensation > > the 9th Circuit Court (whose jurisdiction includes California, Oregon and Washington) has ruled that back of the house workers cannot be included in traditional tip-pooling arrangements. While that decision may be reversed, it currently stands and impacts many restaurants. > > One interesting solution is being explored by the Toro Bravo Group in Portland, Ore. With the minimum wage for Oregon rising to $11.25 as of July 1, the group’s owners, Renee and John Gorham decided it was time to try a new approach to compensating their cooks. Their idea: To add a second tip line to guest checks, so guests could tip kitchen staff directly > [Tipping the Kitchen: Innovations in Compensation - Poached](https://blog.poachedjobs.com/2017/08/14/tipping-kitchen-innovations-compensation/) ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/336 "2017-09-05T03:57:32Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Doubt it all you like - it is unusual enough to be noticeable when it is. Out of the last 100 times I’ve ordered a hot tea in California I can probably count the number of times it automatically came with dairy on my fingers. Maybe on one hand. I’ve been asked if I wanted some a few more times, but it really isn’t standard here, at least in non-upper end restaurants. We just don’t do dairy with tea much - I always drink mine black( + or - sweetener )and so does every other person I know( and I’m considered the resident “tea snob” at work ). In fact it can be a difficult proposition to use milk or cream as it should be. IIRC you’re supposed to put the dairy in your cup first; then you pour in the tea from the pot it’s been steeping in. But in the majority of American restaurants if you ask for tea you get a mug of hot water with a bag in it. IME only the better independent coffeeshops and dedicated tea shops–i.e. the ones that tend to use dainty china cups and teapots, presented with etageres of watercress sandwiches and the like. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/337 "2017-09-05T10:13:21Z")
Tea from a teapot precedes milk additives; milk definitely has to go in after if one uses a teabag in the cup because otherwise it blocks the bag’s pores. - “One should pour tea into the cup first… The milk-first school can bring forward some fairly strong arguments, but I maintain that my own argument is unanswerable. This is that, by putting the tea in first and stirring as one pours, one can exactly regulate the amount of milk whereas one is liable to put in too much milk if one does it the other way round.” \* George Orwell ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/338 "2017-09-05T12:30:17Z")
Now THAT’S how you make an argument… cite George frickin’ Orwell. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/339 "2017-09-05T13:00:07Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Dismissing a citation with a so-called “impeachment” of the citation based on nothing more than _ad hominem_ attack on the source is absolutely NOT “how debates work.” It’s how they go off the rails. > > Feel free to subject such sources to closer scrutiny, if you wish, but “how debates work” obligates you to evaluate their assertions in good faith. > > Not that I expect the likes of _you_ to understand, or to adhere to such principles. > ETA: Please step aside, **Colibri** ; I’m trying to heap some opprobrium on **D’Anconia** , here. **D’Anconia** needs something heaped on him, but I’m sure opprobrium will suffice until some monkeys with poo can be rounded up. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226/340 "2017-09-05T14:31:14Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Tea from a teapot precedes milk additives; milk definitely has to go in after if one uses a teabag in the cup because otherwise it blocks the bag’s pores. > > - “One should pour tea into the cup first… The milk-first school can bring forward some fairly strong arguments, but I maintain that my own argument is unanswerable. This is that, by putting the tea in first and stirring as one pours, one can exactly regulate the amount of milk whereas one is liable to put in too much milk if one does it the other way round.” \* George Orwell Orwell always struck me as the type to drink his tea from a sturdy ceramic mug, rather than from a dainty porcelain teacup vulnerable to cracking from thermal stress. ETA; and his argument IS answerable. It is practicable to put just enough milk into the cup to prevent cracking, and to adjust for the proper colour once the tea has been poured in, and the danger past. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tipping-in-america-the-insult-tip/794226.md?page=16)