# Tips for traveling in the South **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 2, 2000, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766 "2000-09-02T07:18:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/81 "2000-09-06T20:20:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zyada \* > \*\* > Snoooopy: not according to my spanish textbook or any spanish class I’ve ever taken \*\* I grabbed this off a helpful Web site at [transparent.com](http://transparent.com) which would seem to explain the confusion: One marked difference between Castilian and Latin American Spanish is the use of vosotros and ustedes. Vosotros, used only in Spain, is the informal plural form of you and the corresponding verb is conjugated in the 2nd person plural. Ustedes is the formal, plural form of you, however, in Latin America it is used for both the formal and informal address for 2nd person plural but the corresponding verb is conjugated in the 3rd person plural form. For example, "Vosotros estáis felices " and “Ustedes están felices” (You are happy) mean the exact same thing. ---
**Author:** ![TN\_hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@TN\_hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TN_hippie)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/82 "2000-09-06T21:20:02Z")
Sorry, **Saint Zero** , but I am pretty certain that Coke was invented in Atlanta (at a drugstore/soda fountain) and first _bottled_ in Chattanooga. The plant is still there, although modernized beyond recognition. Please look this up if you don’t believe me. I spent several years in Chattanooga and this is a source of great pride there. On a semi-related subject, _miniature golf_ was invented on Lookout Mountain, which overlooks downtown Chattanooga. Strange, but true. Peace, TN\*hippie ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/83 "2000-09-06T21:34:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zyada \* > \*\*Dolores - where in Texas are you located? I’m a third generation Ft. Worther and “y’all” is always plural. > > \*\* Jeez, what a bonehead! I meant always **plural**. I’m from Houston. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/84 "2000-09-06T21:40:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rackensack \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Dolores Claiborne \* > > \*\*Here in Texas, y’all (notice the apostrophe) is _always_ singular, unless, as mentioned before, you are inquiring about the rest of their family. . . . . However, ordering iced tea will not get you sweet tea. It’s quite annoying too, 'cuz when you finally get it just right, the waitress will come by and put some more unsweetened tea into your glass. Forcing you to doctor it again, take one sip, and she’s _back_! Some cafeteria-type restaurants have two dispensers, one sweet, one not. \*\* > > DC, being from Arkansas, I’m perfectly willing to believe any slander you care to perpetrate on the people and state of Texas (despite having relatives there myself). However, my more rational side is complaining of strained credulity at these two statements. Perhaps, if you’re in parts of Houston, Austin, or God forbid, Dallas, you may have found these things to be true, but I suspect that outside these metropolitan areas, in the more right-thinking areas (insofar as Texas may be said to have right-thinking areas), “y’all” is used in the canonical Southern fashion, and “tea” means iced, sweetened tea. \*\* Yes, I’m in Houston. But I said the complete opposite of what I meant about “y’all”. It’s always **plural**. I might have to start a thread on whether or not anyone else has this particular affliction of which I suffer. Dyslexia of the tongue. (Or fingers in this case.) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/85 "2000-09-06T21:40:12Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by TN_hippie \* > \*\*Sorry, **Saint Zero** , but I am pretty certain that Coke was invented in Atlanta (at a drugstore/soda fountain) and first _bottled_ in Chattanooga. The plant is still there, although modernized beyond recognition. Please look this up if you don’t believe me. I spent several years in Chattanooga and this is a source of great pride there. > > On a semi-related subject, _miniature golf_ was invented on Lookout Mountain, which overlooks downtown Chattanooga. Strange, but true. > > Peace, > TN\*hippie \*\* Someone really should enlighten the Vickburg Chamber of Commerce, and Coke in general, cause they did celebrate the 100th anniversary over in Vickburg in 1994. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/86 "2000-09-06T21:51:12Z")
**Saint Zero** : > [@](#): > > **TN\*hippie** > > > [@](#): > > > > Sorry, **Saint Zero** , but I am pretty certain that Coke was …first _bottled_ in Chattanooga. > > Someone really should enlighten the Vickburg Chamber of Commerce, and Coke in general, cause they did celebrate the 100th anniversary over in Vickburg in 1994. 😃 I just checked the Intranet where I work, and you’re right, **Saint Zero**. You’re wrong, **TN\*hippie**. Coca-Cola was first bottled in Vicksburg. The modern system of bottling _franchises_ came years later, and maybe Chattanooga was part of that, but the first guy to put Coca-Cola in bottles and sell it that way (as opposed to from a fountain) was a Vicksburg entrepreneur in 1894. Why would this sort of info be on my company’s Intranet? Let’s just say I work at a well-known beverage manufacturer on North Avenue in Atlanta. ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2000, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/87 "2000-09-06T23:00:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dolores Claiborne \* > I said the complete opposite of what I meant about “y’all”. It’s always **plural**. I might have to start a thread on whether or not anyone else has this particular affliction of which I suffer. Dyslexia of the tongue. (Or fingers in this case.) Thank you for clearing that up. My mind was going into conniptions thinking there was a fellow Southerner out there so obviously confused. I can sleep now. ---
**Author:** ![rackensack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@rackensack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rackensack)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/88 "2000-09-07T03:27:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Five \* > \*\ ***Saint Zero** : > > > [@](#): > > > > **TN\*hippie** > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > Sorry, **Saint Zero** , but I am pretty certain that Coke was …first _bottled_ in Chattanooga. > > > > Someone really should enlighten the Vickburg Chamber of Commerce, and Coke in general, cause they did celebrate the 100th anniversary over in Vickburg in 1994. 😃 > > I just checked the Intranet where I work, and you’re right, **Saint Zero**. You’re wrong, **TN\*hippie**. Coca-Cola was first bottled in Vicksburg. The modern system of bottling _franchises_ came years later, and maybe Chattanooga was part of that, but the first guy to put Coca-Cola in bottles and sell it that way (as opposed to from a fountain) was a Vicksburg entrepreneur in 1894. > > Why would this sort of info be on my company’s Intranet? Let’s just say I work at a well-known beverage manufacturer on North Avenue in Atlanta. > \*\* In which case you should have been able to learn readily that Coca-Cola was created by a Chattanooga pharmacist named Pemberton, who sold the formula to the Candlers, who set up shop in Atlanta. Like so many of Atlanta’s past and current residents, Coke was born elsewhere but achieved its success here. ---
**Author:** ![TN\_hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@TN\_hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TN_hippie)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/89 "2000-09-07T07:09:07Z")
I sit corrected. Perhaps it was the first _large-scale_ bottling plant that started in Chattanooga. Many apologies. Peace, TN\*hippie ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/90 "2000-09-07T07:38:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dolores Claiborne \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Zyada \* > > \*\*Dolores - where in Texas are you located? I’m a third generation Ft. Worther and “y’all” is always plural. > > > > \*\* > > Jeez, what a bonehead! I meant always **plural**. I’m from Houston. \*\* [/dander up] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/91 "2000-09-07T13:34:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rackensack \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Five \* > > \*\ ***rackensack** : > > \*\* > > Most native Arkansawyers > \*\* That’s Arkansans. Just because that sissy in the newspaper uses Arkansawyers doesn’t mean real people should. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rackensack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@rackensack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rackensack)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/92 "2000-09-07T14:04:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by rackensack \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by Five \* > > > \*\ ***rackensack** : > > > \*\* > > > > Most native Arkansawyers > > \*\* > > That’s Arkansans. Just because that sissy in the newspaper uses Arkansawyers doesn’t mean real people should. > 🙂 > \*\* Which sissy in the newspaper would that be? Keep in mind, I left Arkansas fourteen years ago, and there was and in my world will always be only one newspaper in Arkansas: the _Gazette_. That it has been assimilated into the evil empire of John Robert Starr is a fact I’m aware of intellectually, but refuse to accept emotionally. As for the Arkansan/Arkansawyer debate, most people, indeed most people in Arkansas, say “Arkansan”. This makes it sound like the class of people referred to are some sort of variant of those who live in Kansas. On the other hand, Arkansawyers of a literary bent (John Gould Fletcher, Donald Harington, and several others) have typically made it a point of pride to be contrarian on this point, and in this I join them. You live in AR-kan-saw, not ar-KAN-sas, so you’re an AR-kan-saw-yer – whether you like it or not. So CP, are you a native or a transplant? Hometown? College? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/93 "2000-09-07T14:13:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Five \* > \*\ ***Saint Zero** : > > > [@](#): > > > > **TN\*hippie** > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > Sorry, **Saint Zero** , but I am pretty certain that Coke was …first _bottled_ in Chattanooga. > > > > Someone really should enlighten the Vickburg Chamber of Commerce, and Coke in general, cause they did celebrate the 100th anniversary over in Vickburg in 1994. 😃 > > I just checked the Intranet where I work, and you’re right, **Saint Zero**. You’re wrong, **TN\*hippie**. Coca-Cola was first bottled in Vicksburg. The modern system of bottling _franchises_ came years later, and maybe Chattanooga was part of that, but the first guy to put Coca-Cola in bottles and sell it that way (as opposed to from a fountain) was a Vicksburg entrepreneur in 1894. > > Why would this sort of info be on my company’s Intranet? Let’s just say I work at a well-known beverage manufacturer on North Avenue in Atlanta. > \*\* That could be the case. 🙂 Glad to know I’m right for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/94 "2000-09-07T15:03:57Z")
**rackensack** : > [@](#): > > In which case you should have been able to learn readily that Coca-Cola was created by a Chattanooga pharmacist named Pemberton, who sold the formula to the Candlers, who set up shop in Atlanta. Like so many of Atlanta’s past and current residents, Coke was born elsewhere but achieved its success here. More from our intranet’s history pages: > [@](#): > > John Stith Pemberton was born in Knoxville, Crawford County, Georgia in 1833 and early in life moved to Columbus, Georgia. In this city he grew up and attended the local schools. He obtained a degree in Pharmacy at Macon, Georgia. Later in Columbus, he went into business, as a pharmacist and then a wholesale druggist. There’s some stuff about his actions during the War, then: > [@](#): > > In 1869, Pemberton moved his business to Atlanta and began to specialize in the manufacture and marketing of his own original compounds. In 1870, he was identified with the P. Wilson Taylor and Company, Druggists on Atlanta’s Peachtree Street. Later he moved: > [@](#): > > …Dr. Pemberton had moved his laboratory to an old two-story red brick home of an ante-bellum Atlanta banker, a Mr. Edmund W. Holland. The Holland home was listed in the city directory as “107 Marietta Street” and was located within a short walking distance of Atlanta’s Five Points. And it was in this last location where Coca-Cola was invented: > [@](#): > > One day in May 1886, Pemberton drew off a quantity of this reddish brown syrup and carried it down Marietta Street to Five Points. He approached Willis Venable at his fountain in Jacobs’ Pharmacy at the corner of Marietta and Peachtree-Whitehall. Soon after Pemberton sold his interest in the beverage and died in Atlanta in 1888. he **never** lived in Chattanooga. Sorry for the lengthy hijack. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/95 "2000-09-07T15:26:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rackensack \* > > Which sissy in the newspaper would that be? > > So CP, are you a native or a transplant? Hometown? College? \*\* Richard Allin, who survived the takeover favors Arkansasyer. Native, Carried the Democrat as a kid, LR, UALR, GIT U of A. Next you’ll be asking me where my Mamma’s folks are from. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rackensack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@rackensack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rackensack)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/96 "2000-09-07T16:06:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > **Next you’ll be asking me where my Mamma’s folks are from. 🙂** Naah. I’ll throw out my own info first. Born in the hospital at Newport (my parents and grandparents all lived in Augusta at the time). Besides Augusta, I lived in Des Arc, Clarendon, Jasper, Harrison, Fayetteville, and Harrisburg (in that order). Went to Hendrix College, during which time my parents moved back to the great northwest (Rogers/Bentonville/Bella Vista). My parents, between them, lived all over the place before I was born: Magness, Oil Trough, Tuckerman, Fakes Chapel, Tupelo, and Weldon (my dad), and Paterson, Fakes Chapel, McCrory, Reydell, and DeWitt (my mom). You’ll _admit_ to carrying the _Democrat_? I might admit to having carried head lice as a kid (had I ever in fact done so), but not that rag \. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/97 "2000-09-07T16:26:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rackensack \* > You’ll _admit_ to carrying the _Democrat_? I might admit to having carried head lice as a kid (had I ever in fact done so), but not that rag \. \*\* Well, I didn’t have to get up at 5:00 A.M. My favorite was when some scientest said that the sun had cooled by 3 Kelvins. My calculator couldn’t calculate such a small number for the precentage. The Democrat ran the headline, in type larger than WWII: SUN COOLING OFF! Could’ve scared my Grandmother, but she was smarter than that. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![WolfLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@WolfLover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfLover)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/98 "2000-09-07T17:17:47Z")
And for goodness sakes, it’s pronounced oll down here, not oy-ell. That’s the only yankism I haven’t been able to shake after 16 years. BTW, anyone know the ingredients to red eye gravy? I do, not that anyone cares I’m sure, but I can’t believe it’s actually edible…not to mention tasty! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/99 "2000-09-07T17:37:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WolfLover \* > \*\* > BTW, anyone know the ingredients to red eye gravy? I do, not that anyone cares I’m sure, but I can’t believe it’s actually edible…not to mention tasty! \*\* I believe it involves ham fat and coffee. ---
**Author:** ![WolfLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@WolfLover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfLover)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2000, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766/100 "2000-09-07T17:48:39Z")
Not just any ham fat, fried ham fat. Sure doesn’t sound appetizing, does it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tips-for-traveling-in-the-south/31766.md?page=6)