# Tired of Republicans. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 14, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810 "2020-05-14T22:21:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/21 "2020-05-15T00:59:09Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > That being said, I would like to nitpick a bit about Trump causing a depression: The current Covid crisis is so severe globally that no nation can escape its effects. Even if Trump had turned in a magnificent Grade-A performance on the pandemic from day one (and he hasn’t, he’s been more like D+), the U.S. is so interconnected to global trade that we’d still see a recession. It wouldn’t be as bad as it is now, but it would still be a downturn. Even President Hillary couldn’t stave off a Covid recession. D+? Was that the minimum grade at your school? The schools I’ve attended had the bottom grade F. The damny dirty lying sack of dung in the White House is an abject failure. Grade: F. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/22 "2020-05-15T00:59:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Both sides Baaaaad! Don’t vote! Don’t even bother! Both sides! Laugh all you want. That’s exactly what happened in 2016, and it’s exactly what’s going to happen this November. What on Earth makes you think things are going to change? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/23 "2020-05-15T01:00:41Z")
Check out an article by Fintan O’Toole in the Irish Times, about the world pitying America, def worth a read! “Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.“ This much is hard to argue with, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/24 "2020-05-15T01:09:50Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Oh, OK, well then just learn to like Republicans, 'cause that’s what you’re going to get until we figure out a new way to do it. As Lewis Black famously put it, “Apparently the devil you know is better than winning.” Please, tell us how ‘we’ should do it? What system should ‘we’ adopt so ‘we’ aren’t running total dipshits against their dipshits? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/25 "2020-05-15T01:10:37Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Laugh all you want. That’s exactly what happened in 2016, and it’s exactly what’s going to happen this November. What on Earth makes you think things are going to change? Have we reached the part where we get chastised for not joining the Bernie cult? ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/26 "2020-05-15T01:18:45Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Please, tell us how ‘we’ should do it? > What system should ‘we’ adopt so ‘we’ aren’t running total dipshits against their dipshits? > > CMC fnord! How the hell should I know? But would you not agree that running Hillary and Biden (and Bernie, 'cuz I’m no fan of Bernie) is part of the problem? If the party can’t be bothered to run better candidates than _these_ ass-clowns, then maybe Republicans aren’t the ones we should be yelling at. Republicans are just doing their job, which, the last time I looked, was to help Republicans win elections. I mean, didn’t we elect Obama 12 years ago? And then re-elected him eight years ago? Do that. There’s your answer. Whatever we did 12 years ago and then eight years ago, do exactly that. When Republicans run a guy like Pence with about as much charisma as a 1971 Pinto and we run a guy like Obama, _then_ you will not have to worry yourselves about Republicans in the White House. Until then . . . Go Biden (I guess). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/27 "2020-05-15T01:27:11Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Have you considered not running total dipshits against their dipshits? > > Just a thought. Yeah, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were both just dipshits, you could hardly tell them apart! Get a brain, morans! ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/28 "2020-05-15T01:27:40Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > How the hell should I know? But would you not agree that running Hillary and Biden (and Bernie, 'cuz I’m no fan of Bernie) is part of the problem? If the party can’t be bothered to run better candidates than _these_ ass-clowns, then maybe Republicans aren’t the ones we should be yelling at. Republicans are just doing their job, which, the last time I looked, was to help Republicans win elections. > > I mean, didn’t we elect Obama 12 years ago? And then re-elected him eight years ago? Do that. There’s your answer. Whatever we did 12 years ago and then eight years ago, do exactly that. When Republicans run a guy like Pence with about as much charisma as a 1971 Pinto and we run a guy like Obama, _then_ you will not have to worry yourselves about Republicans in the White House. > > Until then . . . Go Biden (I guess). Got another Obama in your pocket somewhere? Even _like_ Obama? Maybe in the back of your dresser drawer? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/29 "2020-05-15T01:31:17Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > {…} If the party can’t be bothered to run better candidates than _these_ ass-clowns, {…} The party runs the candidate that the electorate chose from the potential candidates that _chose to run_ to be the candidate. Just say these words “I want the party to chose who I get to vote for. I miss smoke filled rooms!” CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/30 "2020-05-15T01:40:08Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Got another Obama in your pocket somewhere? Even _like_ Obama? Maybe in the back of your dresser drawer? Hmmmm . . . hang on! I’m checking. (rummage, rummage, rummage) Nope, not in the dresser. Wait a minute, I didn’t check the sofa cushions (rummage, rummage, rummage) Nope, not there, but I finally found the TV remote. Man, I’ve been looking for that for a week. Oh, I know! The hamper. It’s always in the hamper, right? (rummage, rummage, rummage) Sigh . . . those socks have to go. Well, **Ulfreida** , it looks as if I _don’t_ have a spare Obama lying around somewhere. And even if I did, it would be a little late. See, the time to learn from mistakes and crack the whip is right after you make the mistakes. And learning from mistakes always, and I mean, _always_ starts from wondering what your side did wrong. And then taking steps to correct it. And then not making the same mistake again. I honestly don’t know what could have or exactly should have been done, but what I wrote above is why I’m starting to get just a little tired of shit slung at the Republicans. They beat us. OK? They beat us with Trump. When your party runs someone like Hillary, gets beaten by Trump, and then four years later comes up with Biden (out of a field where the only serious alternatives seemed to be Warren and Sanders) to run against an incumbent president–which truly fucks your chances right then and there, and never mind the state of the economy or what crisis is going on, then maybe the fault doesn’t lie with Republicans. And if you can’t come up with a better plan . . . sigh . . . I’ll join you in the weep. But I hope you’re not THAT surprised. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/31 "2020-05-15T01:47:35Z")
So, smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs it is! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/32 "2020-05-15T01:52:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > So, smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs it is! > > CMC fnord! More like getting our asses kicked in November by guys (and not a few women) who seem to know the game a lot better than we do. But hey, there’s always a new Pit thread, right? That’ll show 'em. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/33 "2020-05-15T02:03:10Z")
Way to go, Republicans: On Thursday, Michigan closed down its capitol building and canceled its legislative session after online death threats made against Governor Gretchen Whitmer. The threats were made by protesters who planned to attend a “Judgement Day” protest at the capitol. The protesters ostensibly oppose Whitmer’s statewide shutdown orders meant to slow the spread of coronavirus. Dozens of posts in private invitation-only Facebook groups called for Whitmer to be hanged, lynched, shot, beaten or beheaded. One suggested crowdfunding sources to hire a hitman to kill her. > **[Michigan Closes Capitol After Death Threats Against Gov. Whitmer](https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-closes-down-capitol-face-death-threats-armed-protesters-against-gov-whitmer-1504241)** > > "I would be lying if I said that sitting in my chair with four men in rifles behind me didn't make me think that I was going to be \[dying\] very soon," one legislator said. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/34 "2020-05-15T02:10:51Z")
Smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs is a concrete solution to the problem of bad candidates. I’m still waiting for anything concrete from you Linty. But hey, there’s always this Pit thread! That’ll show us, right? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/35 "2020-05-15T02:15:34Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Hoover did not cause the Great Depression. That is not correct. > Which Wars did Reagan & Bush Sr. cause? > Bush Jr. Guilty as charged. 2 Wars at once in fact. > Trump, forget about it. > > Ike was pretty good for the record. You’re never going to get anywhere with this factual crap. :mad: > [@CastletonSnob](#): > > At what point do people realize that Republicans are bad at governing? > [@Icarus](#): > > A whole lot of people already know this. Yes, practically everyone on this board is aware of it, yet Republican presidential candidates keep getting elected. I can’t understand it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/36 "2020-05-15T02:23:38Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > If you are going to accuse Reagan and Bush Sr. of causing a recession, then it’s only fair to credit Reagan with the 1980s economic boom. And Bush Sr. didn’t cause the 1991 Gulf War, a guy named Saddam did (by the way, the Gulf War was a spectacular victory for the USA.) A screw up by Bush’s State Department gave Saddam the idea he had a green light to invade Kuwait. But Bush does get credit for winning the war and not getting dragged into a quagmire. A mistake Cheney fixed. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/37 "2020-05-15T02:40:43Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Way to go, Republicans: > On Thursday, Michigan closed down its capitol building and canceled its legislative session after online death threats made against Governor Gretchen Whitmer. > The threats were made by protesters who planned to attend a “Judgement Day” protest at the capitol. The protesters ostensibly oppose Whitmer’s statewide shutdown orders meant to slow the spread of coronavirus. > Dozens of posts in private invitation-only Facebook groups called for Whitmer to be hanged, lynched, shot, beaten or beheaded. One suggested crowdfunding sources to hire a hitman to kill her. > [Michigan Closes Down Capitol in Face of Death Threats From Armed Protesters Against Gov. Whitmer - Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-closes-down-capitol-face-death-threats-armed-protesters-against-gov-whitmer-1504241) Has anyone been arrested for those crimes they were committing using FB as a platform? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/38 "2020-05-15T03:23:32Z")
I’ve started reporting Facebook posts and comments that call for harming elected officials. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/39 "2020-05-15T10:59:22Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs is a concrete solution to the problem of bad candidates. I’m still waiting for anything concrete from you Linty. > > But hey, there’s always this Pit thread! That’ll show us, right? > > CMC fnord! Losing is pretty concrete, isn’t it? See, here’s the problem the way I see it. You have your candidates and the Republicans have theirs. Right now, the Republicans are winning. This Pit thread is one of literally hundreds, which complain about the Republicans winning, which, the last I checked, was exactly what they were hired to do. So then the question becomes, “Well, what can we do about it?” and suddenly all the outrage goes away and out come the hands. The pleading, pleading hands. “Oh sorry, guys, that’s just not how it works. We just _had_ to nominate Biden for reasons! What can we doooooo?” You can lose. That’s what you can do. You can lose, and then you can start another thousand threads right here in the Pit about how the world is unfair and Republicans are evil. Then you ban a couple of Republicans from the board for using awful language such as “harpy.” on a board that has openly hoped that Trump dies of Corona virus, and then you congratulate yourselves on holding the moral high ground. Personally, I don’t see it. You yell, and you scream, and you prevaricate, and it’s all the Republicans’ fault, right? It’s never Hillary’s fault. It’s never Biden’s fault. It’s never the party’s fault. It’s never YOUR fault! If you got half as angry at yourselves, your party, and you candidates–who truly suck–as you do at the other side, who, I’ll repeat, are kicking our collective ass up one side of 1600 and down the other, then _maybe_ you could figure something out. Until then . . . meh, enjoy the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810/40 "2020-05-15T12:04:30Z")
> [@CastletonSnob](#): > > At what point do people realize that Republicans are bad at governing? Their answer is: governing is BAD!! Seriously, Trump and the GOP have managed to politicize the basic question of whether we even ought to **have** a governmental response to the most dangerous pandemic of the past 100 years. Even now, it’s hard to wrap one’s head around how totally insane that is. But that’s where the GOP is right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-republicans/853810.md?page=3)