# Tired of the Catholics **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583 "2003-04-18T17:00:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/21 "2003-04-18T18:30:06Z")
I’m tired of Catholics too. My aunt keeps calling and asking when the second check from the estate will come and my cousin has asked me for money one too many times. My nephew is very tiring too, that damned Catholic 2 and a half year old. Now don’t get me started on all those Prostestants, Agnostics and Atheist that I’m tired of. Allayall make me freakin’ sleepy. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/22 "2003-04-18T18:31:16Z")
P.S. no Muslims have tired me out yet. I’m sure that’s because I don’t know any personally. If I did I’d get tired of them too. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/23 "2003-04-18T18:59:32Z")
By the time I get to the idiot, he’s already been yawned at by everyone else. How unfair. ---
**Author:** ![cheesetoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/858c86/32.png) [@cheesetoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheesetoe)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/24 "2003-04-18T19:31:50Z")
Hows about the catholic Church, in particular the Priesthood/adminsitration can have some moral credibility when they own up to the sex scandal, among other atrocities. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/25 "2003-04-18T19:37:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Exion \* > Exion _wants_ Sarah Michelle Ghellar Who’s that? Oh, … You mean _Sarah Michelle Gellar_ ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/26 "2003-04-18T19:39:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Exion \* > \*\*that would seem to put the kibosh on it, it would seem. > \*\* No comment on the OP, but I’d just like to thank you for using the charming term “kibosh.” It hasn’t gotten much usage since Leo Gorcey died. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/27 "2003-04-18T19:42:23Z")
Hmm. I can’t help noticing that **Exion** seems to be claiming a definitive, unassailable, unquestionable line on what is or is not true Roman Catholic doctrine. Since there is only one person whose views on Roman Catholic doctrine are definitive, unassailable, and unquestionable, I am forced to conclude that behind the humble board pseudonym of **Exion** , there lies none other than Pope John Paul II. And if His Holiness himself is tired of Catholics, then I think we can safely say that we Protestants have won. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/28 "2003-04-18T19:46:26Z")
Why does the word “Dink” leap to mind when I read **Exion** ’s posts? :wally Still, I myself am pissed about the molestation scandals. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/29 "2003-04-18T19:50:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ratty \* > \*\*Ahh, shit. Looks like the kids are out of school already. :rolleyes: \*\* I blame it on that new-fangled “Year 'Round Schooling” which staggers the breaks rather than having one long summer break. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/30 "2003-04-18T19:58:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Exion \* > \*\*That’s all. Just tired of them. TIred of Birth Control taking, not taking the Pope’s word as law(Isn’t that the point?), Evolution believing Catholics. \*\* Always go right to the comprehensive Catholic Encyclopedia of 1908, since if it was a liberal position and acceptable pre-VatII it’s surely still acceptable now: [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05654a.htm](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05654a.htm) > [@](#): > > Hence it is called “the theory of evolution”, or “the theory of descent”, since it implies the descent of the present from extinct species. This theory is opposed to the theory of constancy, which assumes the immutability of organic species. The scientific theory of evolution, therefore, does not concern itself with the origin of life. It merely inquires into the genetic relations of systematic species, genera, and families, and endeavours to arrange them according to natural series of descent (genetic trees). So you can see that the Catholic Church is making a reasonable distinction here between evolution and abiogenesis, separating the origin of species from the origin of life. Ergo, evolution is A-OK for Catholics under the general Catholic principle that science and faith do not, and cannot, collide. And since they were OK with evolution in 1908, that puts them 94 years and counting ahead of the Protestants. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/31 "2003-04-18T20:05:31Z")
From John Paul II’s “Truth Can Not Contradict Truth” > [@](#): > > Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical [by Paul], new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory. From the same speech, on the compatability of science and religion: > [@](#): > > The sciences of observation describe and measure the multiple manifestations of life with increasing precision and correlate them with the time line. The moment of transition to the spiritual cannot be the object of this kind of observation, which nevertheless can discover at the experimental level a series of very valuable signs indicating what is specific to the human being. But the experience of metaphysical knowledge, of self-awareness and self-reflection, of moral conscience, freedom, or again of aesthetic and religious experience, falls within the competence of philosophical analysis and reflection, while theology brings out its ultimate meaning according to the Creator’s plans. ---
**Author:** ![Photog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c77e96/32.png) [@Photog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Photog)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/32 "2003-04-18T20:22:02Z")
I’m tired of people who can’t code a simple quote. That’ all, just tired of them. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/33 "2003-04-18T21:04:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RexDart \* > \*\*And since they were OK with evolution in 1908, that puts them 94 years and counting ahead of the Protestants. \*\* Ahem. Ahead of _some_ of the Protestants, please. We’re not all Bible-thumping intelligent-designing Biblical literalists, you know. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/34 "2003-04-18T21:18:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steve Wright \* > \*\*Ahem. Ahead of _some_ of the Protestants, please. We’re not all Bible-thumping intelligent-designing Biblical literalists, you know. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/35 "2003-04-18T21:20:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steve Wright \* > \*\*Ahem. Ahead of _some_ of the Protestants, please. We’re not all Bible-thumping intelligent-designing Biblical literalists, you know. \*\* Well, I see you’re in the UK, so perhaps it’s different there. Alas, living here in Missouri, midwestern USA, it’s a rare Protestant who has an enlightened scientific viewpoint of the origin of species. At the very least, they suspect the whole thing of being some sort of invidious athiest plot to remove nativity scenes from courthouse lawns 😉 ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/36 "2003-04-19T18:31:14Z")
> [@](#): > > originally posted by **Exion** > I don’t know any part of Evolution theory that says that at one time there were only two, IMMORTAL, humans, who after being deceived by the FATHER OF LIES, became mortal and developed pain during childbirth, then spread throughout the Earth. So what? Evolution theory also doesn’t say that there was no time that there were only two humans, nor does Genesis say that Adam and Eve were _Homo sapiens_ rather than _Australopithecus africanus_. If you would have read **FairyChatMom** ’s link more closely, you would have found this > [@](#): > > It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Evolution theory does not address the soul at all, so the Catholic Church insisting on special creation of the soul is not at all inconsistent with evolution. The Catholic Church not only has no problem with the theory of evolution, but teaches it in Church-affiliated schools. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/37 "2003-04-19T19:02:47Z")
The Church of England, likewise, has no problems with evolution. There is, so far as I know, no organized movement to prohibit the teaching of evolution in the UK’s schools, or to allow “equal time” for nonsense like creation “science”. And the only head teacher who tried to ban Harry Potter books from her school wound up on the end of a nation-wide barrage of ridicule. The only people I’ve met in the UK who ever told me flat out that “we don’t accept evolution” were a couple of Jehovah’s Witnesses … the JWs are distinctly a minority group in this country. I’m sure there are others, but - well, nobody takes them seriously. And why should we? ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2003, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/38 "2003-04-19T19:56:46Z")
American Protestant bodies such as Methodism, Episcopalianism, Evangelical Lutheranism, most Presybeterians, etc, have no problem with evolution, in general, though some of their less-well educated members might.\* Your hit-too-many-times-in-the-womb-with-a-shovel Biblical literalist types do, but only because their worldview leaves no room for rationality or reality. Also, Catholics are, re:the Vatican, under no obligation to accept as literal anything in the first 12 chapters of Genesis. While we/they must believe that there was a fall – ie, a point at which the first humans (be that the first humans endowed with souls, or not, or whatever) turned from God and embraced sin – and that God created the world, Catholics are under no obligation to take the Garden of Eden story literally, nor the fanciful tale of Noah, or the Tower of Babel, or any of that. Nor are Catholics expected to believe that the early Jewish fathers lived centuries upon centuries. So just because evolution may appear, on the surface, to contradict certain passages of Genesis 1, that poses no real intellectual conundrum for informed Catholics. - - You do find Methodists, et al, who are anti-evolution, often because American Christians often seem woefully unaware of what their brand of Christianity actually teaches. I’ve met Episcopalians who believe in such nonsense as the “Left Behind” style Rapture, and who can’t wrap their head around the idea that such a belief is totally incompatible with Episcopalian doctrine. It’s fine if they want to believe that fairy tale, but if they were intellectually consistent, they wouldn’t try to be Episcopalian while doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2003, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/39 "2003-04-19T19:59:36Z")
Geeze, the OP makes it sound like us Catholics are the only Christian denomination to have members who pick and choose. I know some Protestants (and a Catholic) who like to get drunk, and while drinking alcohol in and of itself isn’t bad, I mean Jesus did turn water in wine, getting drunk is something that most, if not all, mainstream Christian denominations frown upon. Also, although I don’t have statistics, it seems like it is common, at least in American society, for people to have sex with those they are not married to. Since this seems to be the norm in our society, then you’d have to think that there plenty of Christians involved, even though most, if not all, mainstream Christian denominations teach that this is a sin. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2003, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583/40 "2003-04-19T20:09:14Z")
Y’know, most of the people I’m tired of are Catholic…of course, they’re mainly family members, so the correlation may be flawed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tired-of-the-catholics/169583.md?page=3)