# "Titan" submersible investigation begins \[28-June-2023\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 28, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242 "2023-06-28T16:34:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/221 "2023-07-12T03:42:02Z")
> [@Digger11](#): > > That ought to be on his tombstone It would have to be a cenotaph. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/222 "2023-07-12T03:47:46Z")
One thing’s for sure: he won’t be buried in Grant’s Tomb. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/223 "2023-07-12T03:52:48Z")
Or the Tomb of the Unknown Submariner. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/224 "2023-07-12T10:02:14Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > That… does sound pretty terrible. > > That would contradict the theory that they dropped ballast to rapidly ascend, yes? It also conflicts with Oceangate’s claim that they lost contact with the sub 1.75 hours into the descent. The latter implies that: - the descent was taking the usual amount of time, and - the surface vessel was in contact with the sub for the first 1.75 hours. Also, descending to crush depth in the space of a minute or two, as the “Spanish submarine expert” claims happened, would require a descent velocity of 60-120 MPH. I doubt it would descend that fast even if you completely filled the passenger compartment with water. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/225 "2023-07-12T14:48:36Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > So if a sub descended faster than expected wouldn’t that be a warning that something was amiss? It seems to me that when anything even the slightest bit seems “off” in an operation like that, you should abort the mission. > > This guy had so many chances not to kill people. We’re talking about a company that gave a go for a dive _after the divers noticed something was amiss with a thruster._ ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/226 "2023-07-12T15:04:05Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > One thing’s for sure: he won’t be buried in Grant’s Tomb. Nobody is buried in Grant’s tomb. Fact. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/227 "2023-07-12T15:51:51Z")
> [@Common\_Tater](#): > > Nobody is buried in Grant’s tomb. Fact. Technically. Colloquially, Grant and his wife are ‘buried’ there. As to _Titan_’s occupants, I think we would say they are ‘lost at sea’. Since the wreckage was found, would they now be considered ‘buried’ at sea? Or does that require the remains to be recovered and _then_ put back into the water? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/228 "2023-07-12T16:03:11Z")
I think “recovery” isn’t required, at least if the definition of warship wrecks as protected graves has any applicability. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/229 "2023-07-12T17:55:45Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > this case could end up before one of the most sophisticated courts in the common law world, with ample experience in admiralty law. So, a SovCit’s ~~dream~~ nighmare, then. Is there fringe on the flag? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/230 "2023-07-12T19:02:14Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Psychological screening is very important in selecting submarine crews in navies, especially now that many navies operate nuclear submarines, which almost never surface when on patrols. I enlisted under the Advanced Electronics Program and could have wound up in any of a number of ratings, some of which were on subs. My psychological screening consisted of the question, “Do you feel anxious in an enclosed space?” I wound up as a Cryptologic Technician (Maintenance) on direction-finding gear so wasn’t even on a ship, never mind a boat so I hope before things went too far down one of the other paths the screening got more serious than my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/231 "2023-07-12T19:07:15Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@RickJay](#): > > > > Psychological screening is very important in selecting submarine crews in navies, especially now that many navies operate nuclear submarines, which almost never surface when on patrols. > > I enlisted under the Advanced Electronics Program and could have wound up in any of a number of ratings, some of which were on subs. My psychological screening consisted of the question, “Do you feel anxious in an enclosed space?” > > I wound up as a Cryptologic Technician (Maintenance) on direction-finding gear so wasn’t even on a ship, never mind a boat so I hope before things went too far down one of the other paths the screening got more serious than my opinion. I always heard that there would be some sort of psychological screening before I was assigned to a submarine, but it never happened. In any event, my biggest problem with life on a submarine was not enclosed spaces or being underwater, but the rotating shift work and lack of sleep. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/232 "2023-07-12T19:12:36Z")
You get that even when not underwater, at least that was my experience. We did get 80 or 56 hours off in between ‘strings’ though. A good bit of that was catching up on sleep. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/233 "2023-07-12T19:16:57Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Technically. Colloquially, Grant and his wife are ‘buried’ there. I’m aware of the word-parsing nature of the riddle. Who’s buried at Grant’s Tomb? Arguably Mr. and Mrs. Grant; arguably no one. But one thing is for certain (riffing off the earlier tombstone vs. cenotaph exchange): it definitely _is not_ and _will not be_ Stockton Rush (because he won’t be buried anywhere). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/234 "2023-07-12T19:54:04Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > So, a SovCit’s ~~dream~~ nighmare, then. Is there fringe on the flag? I’m not sure how a SovCit would react to being in a British court with UK flags, wigs, and all the rest. Wiki suggest the SovCit movement is gathering steam in the UK, but appears to me to be pretty nascent. Seems they don’t do hard-core wacko quite as well as USAians. > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > it definitely _is not_ and _will not be_ Stockton Rush (because he won’t be buried anywhere). I’m gonna suggest he’s already buried not quite everywhere, but his debris cloud is slowly spreading across the “seven seas” and the muddy bottom thereof. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/235 "2023-07-12T20:13:05Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’m gonna suggest he’s already buried not quite everywhere, but his debris cloud is slowly spreading across the “seven seas” and the muddy bottom thereof. Here, there, I think that’s some hair, and I know that the parts will go on… ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/236 "2023-07-12T20:31:15Z")
> [@robby](#): > > I always heard that there would be some sort of psychological screening before I was assigned to a submarine, but it never happened. My dad said it was incorporated into the general physical and all that stuff and that portion involved sitting on benches (presumably _not_ Group W) and waiting outside an office. One by one they would enter sit down and visit with a shrink. He would look over their file/packet and ask “Do you like girls?” and that was the end of it. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/237 "2023-07-12T20:46:07Z")
👏 ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/238 "2023-07-12T21:03:49Z")
> [@Common\_Tater](#): > > My dad said it was incorporated into the general physical and all that stuff and that portion involved sitting on benches (presumably _not_ Group W) and waiting outside an office. One by one they would enter sit down and visit with a shrink. He would look over their file/packet and ask “Do you like girls?” and that was the end of it. > _And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I_ > _Wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and_ > _Guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,_ > _KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL, " and_ > _He started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down_ > _Yelling, “KILL, KILL.” And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,_ > _Sent me down the hall, said, “You’re our boy.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/239 "2023-07-13T01:08:30Z")
I didn’t get nothin’! I had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/240 "2023-07-13T01:47:17Z")
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