# "Titan" submersible investigation begins \[28-June-2023\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 28, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242 "2023-06-28T16:34:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/241 "2023-07-14T00:41:25Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > One thing’s for sure: he won’t be buried in Grant’s Tomb. What if his last wish was to have his remains scattered over the wreck of the titanic? ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/242 "2023-07-14T13:17:04Z")
Wish granted. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/243 "2023-07-14T14:49:58Z")
The sub was 1,600 meters short IIRC. Maybe the currents are going the right way. ---
**Author:** ![mixdenny](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mixdenny/32/2962_2.png) [@mixdenny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mixdenny)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/244 "2023-07-14T16:25:05Z")
Sometimes the ashes drift a bit like in “The Big Lebowski”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/245 "2023-07-15T20:15:13Z")
[LegalEagle’s take on the whole mess.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RJQPthD9rx8) Long story short: Ross cut a lot of corners( which we knew) and the families may not be able to sue. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/246 "2023-07-15T20:49:21Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > the families may not be able to sue. I didn’t take that lesson from the video. They’ll be able to bring suit, absolutely. The question is: will they WIN? That’s a definite maybe, due to untested laws, uncertain jurisdiction, and possible loopholes. But this situation will for sure see the inside of the courthouse. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/247 "2023-07-15T20:58:28Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I didn’t take that lesson from the video. They’ll be able to bring suit, absolutely. You’re absolutely right. I misspoke. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/248 "2023-07-15T21:00:26Z")
While browsing other YouTube videos today on a completely unrelated subject, I came across a clip from a rather laudatory BBC program all about how OceanGate is opening up visits to the Titanic as routine tourism, albeit at high cost, complete with a little fluff piece from Stockton Rush himself. Some things don’t age well. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/249 "2023-07-15T21:05:02Z")
Was that the one that included footage of the problem with the thrusters (one was improperly mounted) that caused them to spin, which they solved by turning the controller around and using it backwards (or something like that)? I’ve read that this footage will almost certainly show up in any trials. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/250 "2023-07-15T21:09:10Z")
Yes. I didn’t see the actual program, but the clip included that bit. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/251 "2023-07-15T21:28:38Z")
MacGyvering is cool for contrived or trivial problems. MacGyvering a solution to impending implosion is … problematic … as the kids might say. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/252 "2023-07-17T01:02:00Z")
> **[OceanGate tried to scrub the internet clean of traces that it ever existed,...](https://www.insider.com/oceangate-take-down-website-social-media-suspend-commercial-operations-2023-7)** > > OceanGate, the deep-sea exploration company that created the Titan submersible, has removed its Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn accounts. - OceanGate has taken down its social-media pages, and its website has gone dark. - This comes a week after OceanGate said it would suspend “all exploration and commercial operations.” - As of press time, only the OceanGate Foundation’s website remains active. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/253 "2023-07-17T02:54:29Z")
I didn’t read the article, but that seems like a Positive. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/254 "2023-07-17T03:04:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [OceanGate Has Taken Down Its Website and Social-Media Accounts](https://www.insider.com/oceangate-take-down-website-social-media-suspend-commercial-operations-2023-7) > > - OceanGate has taken down its social-media pages, and its website has gone dark. > - This comes a week after OceanGate said it would suspend “all exploration and commercial operations.” > - As of press time, only the OceanGate Foundation’s website remains active. - Man. One minute they’re all defiant, next thing you know, they cave under the pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/255 "2023-07-17T03:25:12Z")
They knew they were in too deep. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/256 "2023-07-17T04:53:39Z")
And out of their depth. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/257 "2023-07-17T05:21:37Z")
It is difficult to completely erase something from the internet, if you look hard enough here and there you are sure to find bits and pieces. Just like their CEO. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/258 "2023-07-17T21:28:06Z")
serves him right! He could have easily hired a COO and still be alive 😉 but word on the company is that they were pretty under water already ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/259 "2023-07-18T04:05:10Z")
Preliminary Transport Canada TSB Report: > **[Marine transportation safety investigation M23A0169 - Transportation Safety...](https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquetes-investigations/marine/2023/m23a0169/m23a0169.html)** > > Loss of life, Cargo vessel Polar Prince and submersible Titan, 325 NM SSE Cape Race, Newfoundland and Labrador, 18 June 2023 No new information except perhaps: > The investigation team has taken possession of the vessel’s voyage data recorder, which has been sent to the TSB Engineering Laboratory in Ottawa for further analysis. [I didn’t know it had this.] ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/260 "2023-07-18T04:14:20Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [I didn’t know it had this.] What are the odds it turns out to be a cassette tape that was spun through the recorder by a hamster on a wheel? Poor little fella. It deserved better. More seriously, they might only be referring to the _support_ vessel. While that _one sentence_ is a bit ambiguous, every other usage of the word “vessel” is clearly in reference to the support vessel (for example: the support vessel _Polar Prince_, the Canadian-flagged vessel _Polar Prince_, etc). While _Titan_ itself seems to be referred to consistently throughout as a submersible, and never a “vessel” (for example: the submersible _Titan_). In which case, it might be as simple as whatever hard drive stores chat and/or position data. Which wouldn’t be too surprising. It common nowadays for ships to use electronic charts for navigation and such. Reminds me of that thread about [the pitfalls of nuance](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/laws-in-multilingual-countries-the-pitfalls-of-nuance/986785) and whether “vessel” means “canoe” (turns out it does—but I could have told them that for half the price of a fancy Canadian lawyer). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242.md?page=14)