# "Titan" submersible investigation begins \[28-June-2023\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 28, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242 "2023-06-28T16:34:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![yendis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ed8c4c/32.png) [@yendis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yendis)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2026, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/701 "2026-03-08T13:12:01Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I recall a quote from him during an earlier dive about the _audible noises_ coming from the hull as fibers snapped, about how those were “fibers not strong enough to be on the team”. He was willing to ignore his own ears, much less instrumentation. That part of the story has always been one of the craziest to me. If i bought a fiberglass speedboat, and on my first trip heard load cracking sounds from the hull, I don’t think it’s now well seasoned and stronger, I assume its cracked and needs repair. The fact that Stockton Rush thought that carbon fibers would be different to glass fibers when it comes to this, is mind-boggling. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2026, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/702 "2026-03-08T15:10:34Z")
There are none so blind … ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2026, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/703 "2026-03-08T16:21:31Z")
“I have money so I’m the smartest man in the room and rules don’t apply to me.” ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2026, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/704 "2026-03-08T16:28:47Z")
You ragging on Elon Musk? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2026, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/705 "2026-03-08T16:56:32Z")
Credit where credit is due, Elon Musk is apparently smart enough to not eat his own space-faring dogfood. To this point, he hasn’t bulled his way into any SpaceX mission, even though they’ve been competently engineered, and seems to be patient enough to let Starship mature appropriately. Stockton Rush was too cheap and impatient for “iterate, iterate, iterate”. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2026, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/706 "2026-03-08T17:50:06Z")
He waa certainly unencumbered by doubt. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/707 "2026-03-09T04:21:54Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Credit where credit is due, Elon Musk is apparently smart enough to not eat his own space-faring dogfood. To this point, he hasn’t bulled his way into any SpaceX mission, even though they’ve been competently engineered, and seems to be patient enough to let Starship mature appropriately. More importantly, Musk has somehow been able to hire competent engineers and competent senior managers at SpaceX and leave them alone to do what they do best. Unlike some of his other crazy ventures, which he’s either bungled or which are too insane to ever be implemented. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/708 "2026-03-09T04:26:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I recall a quote from him during an earlier dive about the _audible noises_ coming from the hull as fibers snapped, about how those were “fibers not strong enough to be on the team”. He was willing to ignore his own ears, much less instrumentation. He was also ignoring basic common sense. The idea that eliminating “weak” fibers makes the hull as a whole stronger only makes sense if you’re replacing the failed fibers with new stronger ones. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/709 "2026-03-09T04:31:46Z")
Yeah, that theory is like the old Cliff Clavin theory of the bison herd getting stronger by the same methodology, and the parallels he drew to weaker brain cells being killed off by drinking alcohol, thereby making the brain stronger… ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242/710 "2026-06-20T02:07:43Z")
The Canada Transportation Board has released its report: News article: > **[Titan submersible disaster caused by design flaws, company failures: Final...](https://abcnews.com/Business/titan-submersible-disaster-caused-design-flaws-company-failures/story?id=133964969)** > > The submersible imploded on its 88th dive, killing all five on board who were on a deep-sea voyage to the Titanic wreckage on June 18, 2023.  Report: > **[Marine transportation safety investigation report M23A0169 - Transportation...](https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/marine/2023/m23a0169/m23a0169.html)** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titan-submersible-investigation-begins-28-june-2023/986242.md?page=35)