# Titanic Safety Corp **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373 "2005-02-16T17:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/21 "2005-02-16T20:21:05Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > It could be that you’re a superior moral being to **Brutus** , yes. (snorts) Well, aren’t we ALL? 😉 Oh, and to piss Brutus off some more, 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@](#): > > Nonsense! Look at the massive post-WW2 crime wave that, to this very day, makes people associate the 1950’s with rampant crime and insecurity. The early motorcycle gangs are said to have been founded by returning bomber crews unable to adjust to boring civilian life. (And lemme tell ya, the Eighth Air Force’s Hell’s Angels, 303rd Bombardment Group, ain’t pleased with those stories!) ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/22 "2005-02-16T20:22:50Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I agree, it’s a totally stupid name. Yup. I hear that a contract for a major new pipeline was just awarded to Valdez Oil, inc. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/23 "2005-02-17T13:04:53Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > That is vile slander against military members and veterans alike, and has absolutely no basis in fact. I demand that you retract it, for decency’s sake. I’m afraid that I can’t do that. When a man is taught to be a soldier, he is taught to abandon a lifetime of social conditioning, & kill his fellow man. _I concede, most veterans make the adjustment back to a normal life._ Some, however, do not. They never regain the restraints of society. Most do, but not all. But these are _mercenaries_. If they had been motivated by patriotism, they’d have joined the military. The **real** military.Instead, they are motivated by money, and in some cases, a love of violence, and they don’t find any problem with killing people for the big bucks. These are the men who have _abandoned_ social restraints. It is a reasonable conclusion, from the context of this article, that **anybody** who can handle a gun, & is willing to kill for money, can join Custer. The kind of men who would…are nobody I want for a neighbor. > [@](#): > > Here is better than home, eh, sir? I mean, at home if you kill someone they arrest you, here they’ll give you a gun and show you what to do, sir. I mean, I killed fifteen of those buggers. Now, at home they’d hang me, here they’ll give me a fucking medal, sir." The above could be the company motto. **lieu** --I never _said_ the Kurds were coming. \THE KURDS ARE COMING! THE KURDS ARE COMING! WARN EVERY MIDDLESEX VILLAGE & FARM!\ 😃 **Captain Amazing** --yea verily! May thoust get thine knickers filled with locusts! 😉😃😛 ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/24 "2005-02-17T13:10:37Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > But these are _mercenaries_. … If they had been motivated by patriotism, they’d have joined the military. What about people who join the military because they want a career, or because they want an education? Are they mercenaries, because their motivations aren’t necessarily patriotism? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/25 "2005-02-17T13:30:29Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > What about people who join the military because they want a career, or because they want an education? Are they mercenaries, because their motivations aren’t necessarily patriotism? Pay attention, please. The article is about a “private security company”–i.e. mercenaries. They _have been_ soldiers, most of 'em. Could be again, barring any who might have been court-martialed. But chose money, instead. The young people you mentioned chose to join the actual military. Although, given a certain prison, & what went on there, perhaps I’m drawing too much of a distinction. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/26 "2005-02-17T15:03:27Z")
You’re not just talking about mercenaries, though, **Bosda** , unless you want to back away from this statement: > [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > That they shall likely turn to crime, as other soldiers who could not adapt have done, after other wars, & unleash the same violence on our streets that they have comitted in Iraq? If you’re talking about mercenaries, say so, If you’re talking about soldiers, that’s another thing entirely. So I ask again, please clarify or retract your statements, for as they stand now they are an indecent slander against military members and veterans. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/27 "2005-02-17T15:15:22Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > You’re not just talking about mercenaries, though, **Bosda** , unless you want to back away from this statement: > > If you’re talking about mercenaries, say so, If you’re talking about soldiers, that’s another thing entirely. > > So I ask again, please clarify or retract your statements, for as they stand now they are an indecent slander against military members and veterans. Okay, then how about [the soldiers referred to here.](http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5891) Yes, I know it’s the Socialist Worker but Doctor Salam Ismael seems like a pretty credable source. Would you like to live next door to the people that are capable of this stuff when they return from Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/28 "2005-02-17T15:38:30Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > You’re not just talking about mercenaries, though, **Bosda** , unless you want to back away from this statement: > > If you’re talking about mercenaries, say so, If you’re talking about soldiers, that’s another thing entirely. > > So I ask again, please clarify or retract your statements, for as they stand now they are an indecent slander against military members and veterans. I cannot retract the truth. **Mr. Moto** , you are a Nationalist, rather than a Patriot. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/29 "2005-02-17T16:54:40Z")
What you believe to be the truth just isn’t so, **Bosda**. [Please drop by.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302894) ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/30 "2005-02-17T18:17:26Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > What you believe to be the truth just isn’t so, **Bosda**. > > [Please drop by.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302894) Fffft! Like I haven’t been Pitted before. By better than _you_, too. Pardon whilst I sneer. ---
**Author:** ![jester21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed655f/32.png) [@jester21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jester21)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/31 "2005-02-17T18:23:37Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Yea, verily! We shall be punished by the LORD! Indeed, he shall punish us with boils and with locusts! Alas, oh Babylon on the Potomac! Ye shall be smitten as in the days of Jerubabel! The Hittite host will come down upon thee, and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth! And baldness, and halitosis! Yea, verily there shall be much halitosis! No, we shall be punished by being forced to sit through Bosda’s most recent movie rentals :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/32 "2005-02-17T18:28:10Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > No, we shall be punished by being forced to sit through Bosda’s most recent movie rentals :eek: I never rent; I buy. (used). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/33 "2005-02-18T07:32:12Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Never has the ‘The Bush Regime’ said such a thing. [““We are in a conflict between good and evil. And America will call evil by its name,” Mr Bush told West Point graduates in a speech last year.”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2921345.stm) Sure sounds like they were talkin’ about us being Good (ie having God on our side) and the other people being Evil (thus, not having God on their side) > [@Brutus](#): > > There is a difference between something like ‘God has blessed this land et cetera’ and ‘If God is for us, who can be against us?’ And you are bright enough to know the difference. Yep, see the comments about Good n’ Evil above. > [@Brutus](#): > > Besides, even if you can somehow set aside the idiotic content of **Bosda** ’s post, his use of multiple emoticons earns much scorn and derision. I think that, if there was an invisible Monster God who saw everything and judged, Bush would be in real trouble. But the smilies were lame. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/34 "2005-02-18T08:42:30Z")
I fail to see the point. You specifically said that the ‘Bush Regime talks about God being on our side’, I called you on it, and now you are flopping around, posting a rather random GW quote. What gives? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/35 "2005-02-18T09:30:28Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > I fail to see the point. You specifically said that the ‘Bush Regime talks about God being on our side’, I called you on it, and now you are flopping around, posting a rather random GW quote. What gives? A random Bush quote? Mmm hmmm. It certainly had nothing to do with metaphysical good and evil and how we were on the side of good. Nopers, naw awww, I’m trying to shift the goalposts, I reckon. But here’s another ariticle to prove what the rest of the non-partisan country already knows. Bush plays very fast and loose, often crossing over the line, although his handlers reign it in sometimes. [“Gaddy noted that three days after Sept. 11, 2001, Bush said the United States has a responsibility “to rid the world of evil,” and that the president later told Congress that God is “not neutral” in the war on terrorism.”](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57915-2004Dec11.html) (yes, the ‘not neutral’ is a paraphrase and somewhat out of context, but the semantic value is unchanged. ) and another cite [" Bush says God chose him to lead his nation "](http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1075950,00.html) > [@](#): > > Bush said to James Robinson: ‘I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can’t explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen… I know it won’t be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.’ Still wanna argue that Bush has never made any claims that God is, somehow, on our side? Or, rather, sometimes, that we’re on God’s side? Or, as quoted in the Lancaster papers, can’t link it, as they require me to pay for registration, but here’s a cite (one of may) for the quote. [““I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job.” – President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private meeting with an Amish group.”](http://politicalwire.com/archives/2004/07/16/quote_of_the_day.html) Or how about this one, where he talks about, how the work America is doing is really God’s work? [“I believe that America is called to lead the cause of freedom in a new century. I believe that millions in the Middle East plead in silence for their liberty. I believe that given the chance they will embrace the most honorable form of government ever devised by man. I believe all these things because freedom is not America’s gift to the world, it is the Almighty God’s gift to every man and woman in this world.”](http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/econ335/out/bush%20speech%20conv.htm) Naw, you’re right **Brutus** , how silly I’ve been. Bush has never suggested that America, in any way, has a special relationship with God. How silly of me. When he talks about God being on the side of justice, and, lo and behold, America being on the same side, it’s just one o’ them thar coincidences. When he talks about doing God’s work, that’s just happenstance. In fact, you can forget it even happened. How’s the cool aid? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/36 "2005-02-18T10:18:41Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I’m trying to shift the goalposts, I reckon. Very true. It’s sad watching you post all sorts of quotes that have nothing to do with your initial comment. Rather than keep digging a deeper hole for yourself, you should just admit that your initial comment was just a snide liittle remark. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/37 "2005-02-18T10:26:49Z")
My original (and current) contention was that Bush says God is on our side. If the quotes I’ve furnished you haven’t proven that… ~shrugs~ [Oh yeah!](http://www.dmitrivonklein.com/weblog/images05/juiceman.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/38 "2005-02-18T10:28:59Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > My original (and current) contention was that Bush says God is on our side. If the quotes I’ve furnished you haven’t proven that… ~shrugs~ The quotes you provided have not proven your original claim. I hope you didn’t waste a lot of time digging up the rest of that unrelated stuff! > [@](#): > > [Oh yeah!](http://www.dmitrivonklein.com/weblog/images05/juiceman.jpg) I bet _he_ would do better as the chair of the DNC. Very popular among the Democrats around here, he is… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/39 "2005-02-18T10:49:41Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > The quotes you provided have not proven your original claim. I hope you didn’t waste a lot of time digging up the rest of that unrelated stuff! ~blink~ ~blink blink~ You are, honestly, with your bare face hanging out, going to claim that quotes about how God selected him to be president, or speaks through him, or how we’re on the side of God and God supports our goals… those don’t speak towards Bush claiming that God is on our side? They’re “unrelated”? Chug that jonestown juice. Chug it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373/40 "2005-02-18T12:36:37Z")
Odd. **Brutus** _begins_ this thread by mocking _my_ religious/spiritual views, & starts offering _Bush’s/his own_ views as rationalization/justification. Hmmm…maybe I was correct, in my earlier, unspoken thought. Because, reading your earlier remarks, I rather thought they resembled hate speech against my Deist views. No, I’m not BSing, to make a point. I’m actually suggesting that that is **Brutus** ’s point in ridiculing my post. And I’m unhappy. :mad: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-safety-corp/290373.md?page=3)