# Titanic tourist submarine missing 6-19-2023 (Debris field found, passengers presumed dead. 06-22-23) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 19, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781 "2023-06-19T16:29:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/662 "2023-06-23T20:22:01Z")
That’s the best kind! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/663 "2023-06-23T20:23:22Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > That is conspiratorial thinking, completely unsupported by facts or logic. - Is there any other kind? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/664 "2023-06-23T20:28:25Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > > [@LSLGuy](#): > > > > > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > > > > > I’ve scrolled through the whole thread to see if anyone else commented about this; > > > > Post 574 by @Cervaise. An in-thread search for “xbox” or “periscope” finds it immediately But you have a funner cite with pix. 😉 > > Thanks. But yeah, I quoted @Cervaise’s post in mine. D’oh! That was sure dumb of me. Thank you for the kind point-out. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/665 "2023-06-23T21:40:55Z")
Admit it, you’ve either listened to it this week or been tempted. [![](https://i.imgur.com/Rlkt1F2.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/Rlkt1F2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/666 "2023-06-23T21:52:08Z")
I’ve never intentionally listened to that song, but I did somehow find myself singing it in the shower this morning. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/667 "2023-06-23T21:52:40Z")
That song never crossed my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/668 "2023-06-23T22:03:02Z")
I think the salient point is they heard the craft implode, they knew exactly what happened, which nicely explains why nobody in a position to deploy significant assets seemed to be in too much of a hurry to perform a dedicated rescue operation. It was obvious to many observers there wasn’t a palpable sense of urgency on their part. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/669 "2023-06-23T22:08:56Z")
I don’t know about that. They got vessels into the area immediately, got deep sea units less than 2 days after they lost contact, and actually found bits of debris 2 days after that. That’s really, really fast all things considered. I get that in the modern internet culture, anything that takes more than an hour seems like an unbearable delay, but the speed with which they got significant assets to the area, deployed them, and got actual results belie the notion there was no sense of urgency. Armchair quarterbacking is easy. Coordinating an international response under difficult conditions (that include bad weather in this case) is not trivial. That we got more or less definitive answers within a week is still a minor miracle. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/670 "2023-06-23T22:22:07Z")
Indeed. Depending on the ship, even if it’s just sitting at the dock, wasting time, it can take a couple of days just to get everyone and everything ready to go. And then to get there, you’re basically traveling at “school zone” speeds (by automobile standards). Going on for hundreds of miles. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/671 "2023-06-23T22:27:46Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > They got vessels into the area immediately, got deep sea units less than 2 days after they lost contact, and actually found bits of debris 2 days after that. That’s really, really fast all things considered. I’m not sure anyone stuck in a small tube underwater without communication would agree with that assessment. If it had not collapsed they would have been rolling around in their own excrement. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/672 "2023-06-23T22:45:12Z")
> A writer who said he was set to travel on the doomed Titan submersible said OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush told him that for the vessel’s hull, **the company used cut-price Boeing carbon fiber that was past its airplane shelf life**. > **[OceanGate CEO once said Titan sub's hull was made with carbon fiber from...](https://www.insider.com/oceangate-ceo-said-titan-made-old-material-bought-boeing-report-2023-6)** > > Arnie Weissmann said OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush told him he sourced the Titan's carbon fiber, which was too old "for use in airplanes," from Boeing. Here is the full series from the writer: [https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Mission-Titanic-part-1](https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Mission-Titanic-part-1) [https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Mission-Titanic-part-2](https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Mission-Titanic-part-2) [https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Mission-Titanic-part-3](https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Mission-Titanic-part-3) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/673 "2023-06-23T22:48:24Z")
According to James Cameron, it was known that the vessel was lost by Monday. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LEBCc-Qpilw/maxresdefault.jpg "'I knew Titanic submarine imploded on Monday and rescue was a 'charade', says James Cameron") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBCc-Qpilw) ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/674 "2023-06-23T22:52:42Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > They got vessels into the area immediately, got deep sea units less than 2 days after they lost contact, and actually found bits of debris 2 days after that. That’s really, really fast all things considered. They knew right away those guys were chum. That was just for show. I mean, why would they expend resources for a futile endeavour otherwise? Training, maybe. A lot of people misunderstand how government works, too. A common complaint is say, air force fly bys at a football game or things like that. They’ve already budgeted the money, they have to train, maintain flight proficiency and flight hours. They are just doing publicly what they have to do anyway. They aren’t spending any extra money per se. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/675 "2023-06-23T23:02:13Z")
Updates on legal issues: Canadian Transport Board will investigate role of the _Polar Prince_, the ship that carried the _Titan_, since it is registered as a Canadian ship: > **[Canada opens investigation into Titan implosion and Polar Prince role |...](https://globalnews.ca/news/9789611/canada-titan-implosion-polar-prince-investigation/)** > > The Transportation Safety Board of Canada is investigating the implosion of the Titan submersible and a Canadian ship's role in aiding the vessel to its doomed mission. The US Coast Guard will likely be the lead for the implosion investigation: > **[U.S. Coast Guard to lead investigation into deadly rupture of Titan submersible](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-navy-heard-possible-implosion-135948303.html)** > > DARTMOUTH — The U.S. Coast Guard will lead an investigation into the catastrophic implosion of the Titan submersible, which broke apart with five aboard and sank to the ocean floor during a dive to the Titanic earlier this week. All five passengers... And OceanGate will likely seek court protection soon: > **[Titan owner OceanGate will likely seek court protection, and soon: lawyer](https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/titan-owner-oceangate-will-likely-seek-court-protection-and-soon-lawyer-1.6453545)** > > A maritime law professor at Louisiana's Tulane University says the owner of a small submersible that imploded Sunday on its way to the wreck of the Titanic will likely seek court protection -- and soon. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/676 "2023-06-23T23:05:38Z")
Moderating: > [@pyromyte](#): > > In regard to the US Navy hearing the implosion. I almost wondered if they didn’t… This remains a breaking news thread, even if the news has gotten less exciting. If you want to speculate on conspiracy theories, please take it to a new thread. And drop the topic here. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/677 "2023-06-23T23:09:54Z")
James Cameron is a technically brilliant guy, but so often his comments seem to circle back to being about him. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/678 "2023-06-23T23:12:52Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > technically brilliant guy… circle back to being about him. This is so common I don’t know if it’s a cliche or a trope. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/679 "2023-06-23T23:15:38Z")
I haven’t really been following the story but I’m curious why the Coast Guard is/was involved and not the Navy? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/680 "2023-06-23T23:17:30Z")
I’d assume it’s because the Coast Guard mission (among other things) is search and rescue; the Navy’s is warfare. ETA: Could also be driven by what assets were closest to the site. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781/681 "2023-06-23T23:17:50Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I haven’t really been following the story but I’m curious why the Coast Guard is/was involved and not the Navy? - Sea rescue is their thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/titanic-tourist-submarine-missing-6-19-2023-debris-field-found-passengers-presumed-dead-06-22-23/985781.md?page=35)