# TJHSST Admissions process illegally discriminates against asians (UPDATE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 2, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375 "2022-03-02T22:54:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/41 "2022-07-28T20:30:13Z")
It would be more simple to say that you do not agree with that appointment, no? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/42 "2022-07-28T20:59:23Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Woke is used as a derogatory term by many on the left as well. > We are indeed telling you to back off. > You are losing elections. The evidence coming from previous discussions is that the right wing turned a word that blacks used in a way to make others aware about systemic racism, into a slur. Conservatives specially aimed that slur to any group that dared to be concerned about helping unrepresented minorities. Some of those commercial groups for sure made a mess of how to use the word. But then a lot of black leaders and minority groups discouraged their use because of the misuse from commercial groups and right wing ones. The point here is that it is very odd that you claim that it was a derogatory term coming from leftists too, do you have a cite? What it has happened now is that he ones that remained using the term now are the ones that are using it as a slur. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/43 "2022-07-29T13:01:50Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > The criteria for qualifying for the proposed lottery was excluding 5% of applicants. Which tells us that the students who didn’t qualify mostly already knew that, and so didn’t bother applying. That doesn’t mean the criteria don’t work. But I think that this discussion is doomed from the start, if we’re starting from the poisoned-well premise that a lottery that doesn’t use race as a criterion at all is “racially biased”. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/44 "2022-07-29T16:01:02Z")
If you would like to start a thread on why people are fed up with school boards being more concerned with ideological agendas and indoctrination than they are with education, I will try to participate in that thread. But she is a good choice for getting the focus of education in virginia back on educating our children. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/45 "2022-07-29T16:26:12Z")
I think of it as making fun of white people who identify with the term. Self righteous white people who do more to shrink the liberal tent than to expand it. Far left progressives that think that their opinions are obvious indisputable and sneer at those who disagree. This lets them take more and more extreme positions that are far removed from large swaths of liberal americans because those liberals are actually racists or transhopic or nazis pretending to be liberals. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > The point here is that it is very odd that you claim that it was a derogatory term coming from leftists too, do you have a cite? James Carville is “from the left” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pJEGUQt63gw/maxresdefault.jpg "James Carville: ‘Stupid wokeness’ is a national problem for Democrats") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJEGUQt63gw) > [@GIGObuster](#): > > What it has happened now is that he ones that remained using the term now are the ones that are using it as a slur. Because the far left has turned it into a slur in much the same way that far right fundamentalist christians have tarnished the term “christian” ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/46 "2022-07-29T16:40:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Which tells us that the students who didn’t qualify mostly already knew that, and so didn’t bother applying. That doesn’t mean the criteria don’t work. I don’t know if you saw my link showing how the the lottery experiment worked out for lowell, but here it is again: > **[Top SF high school sees record spike in failing grades after dropping...](https://nextshark.com/lowell-high-school-record-failure)** > > San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in D’s and F’s among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based... > [@Chronos](#): > > But I think that this discussion is doomed from the start, if we’re starting from the poisoned-well premise that a lottery that doesn’t use race as a criterion at all is “racially biased”. The concept of facial neutrality immunizing you from accusations of racial bias was abandoned decades ago with literacy exams and poll taxes. The stated purpose of changing the admissions process was to change the racial composition of the student body, that is clearly racial bias. There was some pretty explicitly racist anti-asian sentiment on display during the hearings. This was ostensibly about increasing black and hispanic acceptance rates but a study commissioned by the school board showed that the biggest gains would be among white students. So they would reduce the minority population entirely at the expense of a politically weak asian population mostly for the benefit of a politically powerful white population. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/47 "2022-07-29T17:04:14Z")
Oh, I knew it was going to be Maher or Carville, that was as predictable as rain, they are mostly democrats that are not really liberal, but classic ones or neo liberals. The reality is that most of the black people pointed at what was going on and discouraged the use. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/48 "2022-07-29T17:23:52Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > If you would like to start a thread on why people are fed up with school boards being more concerned with ideological agendas and indoctrination than they are with education, I will try to participate in that thread. But she is a good choice for getting the focus of education in virginia back on educating our children. That will not do, you do forget that for Republicans appointed by ignorants like the current governor are being bigoted as well as anti-science, that is part of the package. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/49 "2022-07-29T18:01:48Z")
Carville is not a true scottsman? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/50 "2022-07-29T18:23:44Z")
Every school in the country right now is seeing a record number of Ds and Fs. Got any cites from pre-covid schools that tried this? > [@damuriajashi](#): > > The stated purpose of changing the admissions process was to change the racial composition of the student body, that is clearly racial bias. And Brown v. Board of Education had the stated purpose of changing the racial composition of the Topeka schools student body. That was also clearly a biased decision, right? If one of the two policies under discussion here led to a racial bias, the simple assumption would be that it was the one that resulted in the student body having a radically different racial breakdown than that of the population served by the school. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/51 "2022-07-29T18:31:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That will not do, you do forget that for Republicans appointed by ignorants like the current governor are being bigoted as well as anti-science, that is part of the package. Of course that will do. It’s easy to assume that everyone that disagrees with you is morally or mentally impaired but this is probably not the case considering how much of the country disagrees with you. If you want to bring science into this debate in addition to the transgender issue then we can do that too but the right no longer has a monopoly on being anti-sience. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/52 "2022-07-29T18:38:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Every school in the country right now is seeing a record number of Ds and Fs. Got any cites from pre-covid schools that tried this? If you read the article, they compare the student class immediately above them and how they performed during the pandemic. > [@Chronos](#): > > And Brown v. Board of Education had the stated purpose of changing the racial composition of the Topeka schools student body. That was also clearly a biased decision, right? Brown v Board prohibited racial discrimination. These equity policies encourage racial discrimination. You are getting is exactly backwards. > [@Chronos](#): > > If one of the two policies under discussion here led to a racial bias, the simple assumption would be that it was the one that resulted in the student body having a radically different racial breakdown than that of the population served by the school. Why would you make such an assumption when one policy is explicitly race driven and the other is not. You are assuming racism with no evidence of racism other than disparate results. The achievement gap is a nationwide phenomenon that is not the result of an objective test being administered in northern virginia by a progressive school system. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/53 "2022-07-29T18:40:38Z")
If it was a very common occurrence in the school for the students to make fun of the Asian-American students, to do stupid things like pull the sides of their faces to slant their eyes, and make “Ching, chong” noises at them, would you be fed up with a school board’s ideological agenda and indoctrination if they addressed this issue? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/54 "2022-07-29T18:54:39Z")
Meh, like if all agree with what you say here, I rather look at evidence that shows how wrong appointees from an ignorant governor are. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/55 "2022-07-30T00:08:49Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > If you want to bring science into this debate in addition to the transgender issue then we can do that too but the right no longer has a monopoly on being anti-sience. So nice of you to put this can of worms on the table knowing that the mods will shut down the hijack required to unpack it. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/56 "2022-08-03T17:52:22Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > So nice of you to put this can of worms on the table knowing that the mods will shut down the hijack required to unpack it. You know I’m not the one bringing extraneous issues into this thread right? Gigobuster introduced those and other extraneous topics. I suspect because he is trying to associate unpopular things with my position. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/57 "2022-08-03T18:04:36Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > So nice of you to put this can of worms on the table knowing that the mods will shut down the hijack required to unpack it. damuriajashi is forgetting here that he ignored what @Kimstu replied to him here. And that led to other things that he was conveniently missing. There is evidence of how prejudice can affect health care access, and that is a factor in affecting the early educational development of Hispanic immigrants vs the Asian ones. And speaking of that, lack of abortion services is also part of the package of things that affects things like education among minorities, yet another item that the current governor of Virginia is an ignorant git about. It is no wonder that science guys like Neil deGrasse Tyson were talking about how ignorance among the politicians one elects can lead to the impoverishment of the USA. **It is just not only an admissions issue.** ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/58 "2022-08-03T18:49:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > damuriajashi is forgetting here that he ignored what @Kimstu replied to him here. Where? What is this thing that you think I am deliberately ignoring? > [@](#): > > And that led to other things that he was conveniently missing. There is evidence of how prejudice can affect health care access, and that is a factor in affecting the early educational development of Hispanic immigrants vs the Asian ones. Your cite mentions the word education 34 times. I do not see where is says that prejudice is affecting hispanic health care access any more than asian health care access. I do not see where ist says that this difference in access is adversely affecting early educational development. Is there some other source that you meant to cite to back up these claims? Your cite mentions educational attainment as one of the reasons there are differences in health care access. So once again, how have hispanics (who seem to be following a fairly typical immigrant SES trajectory) been so oppressed that it justifies racial discrimination against asians? From your cite: "In other words, if Hispanic immigrants attained the same education and income as Asian immigrants, Hispanic-Asian immigrant inequality in met need would be significantly ameliorated. " > [@](#): > > And speaking of that, lack of abortion services is also part of the package of things that affects things like education among minorities, yet another item that the current governor of Virginia is an ignorant git about. And speaking of derailing threads, since transgender issues and anti-science debates aren’t doing the trick, lets throw abortion into the mix to see if we can turn this thread about anti-asian discrimination into a debate about abortion, amirite? > [@](#): > > It is no wonder that science guys like Neil deGrasse Tyson were talking about how ignorance among the politicians one elects can lead to the impoverishment of the USA. **It is just not only an admissions issue.** If you want to expand this inot a larger debate of “everything gigobuster believes” we cando t hat but you should probably make your own thread. This one is mostly about whether or not you support anti-asian discrimination in academics in order to achieve equality of outcomes. so @crowmanyclouds you still think I’m the one trying to derail this thread? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/59 "2022-08-03T18:58:20Z")
Actually, you did not need to respond to the elephants in the room that you miss. So Meh. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375/60 "2022-09-09T15:37:59Z")
You need to be more explicit about these elephants. Are these invisible intangible indescribable elephants that I am supposed to simply know are there because you say so? I asked “What is this thing that you think I am deliberately ignoring?” and yet you continue to say that I am ignoring something without telling me what it is you think I am ignoring. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tjhsst-admissions-process-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-update/960375.md?page=4)