# TMI - reduced calorie diets and fiber **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Tags:** diet-weight-loss\ **Created:** [December 11, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421 "2023-12-11T14:45:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/41 "2024-10-27T23:58:15Z")
The salad dressing industry speaks to the demand that vegetables taste like something other than vegetables. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/42 "2024-10-28T00:12:27Z")
I prefer butter to cheese. But honestly, if I’m hungry, i don’t want vegetables. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/43 "2024-10-28T00:31:26Z")
I’ve had enough delicious roasted Brussels sprouts at restaurants to know that I like making them at home. Roasted green beans until they’re browned a bit (with a lot of chopped garlic on top) or asparagus are good. I happen to like rutabagas (a lot of people don’t), but they’re pretty starchy. Turnips are less starchy, but I don’t much like them. I’m okay with roasted cauliflower and broccoli, but I’ve sort of O.D.ed on them. Roasted fennel root is good. Nothing else is coming to mind. I’m like you, I don’t really _like_ most non-starchy vegetables. I eat them because they’re good for us. And not as often as I should. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/44 "2024-10-28T00:45:56Z")
My diet is low calorie/low fat/high fiber. I find it’s good for weight control, but (TMI)… add coffee, and I need a toilet four or five times before noon. A definite tradeoff there. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/45 "2024-10-28T00:54:31Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I’ve had enough delicious roasted Brussels sprouts at restaurants to know that I like making them at home Agreed! Grilled asparagus is also really good. ETA: I’ve become a big fan of fiber. I get most of mine from whole pieces of fruit, but I also eat oatmeal, sweet potatoes, and nuts; and I drink V8 (vegetable juice) and use Metamucil (I.e. psyllium husk) as a supplement. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/46 "2024-10-28T02:57:18Z")
All those grilled vegetables rely heavily on tasty oils to make them taste good… It’s not that i hate the flavor of vegetables, it’s that i find them frustrating to eat if I’m actually hungry. They are pleasant enough to nibble on if I’m not hungry. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/47 "2024-10-28T03:22:44Z")
My adult half-brother got quite exasperated when I was a child trying to get me to eat vegetables. He gave up when I declared “why not just serve me dog shit on a plate? It wouldn’t be any harder to eat!” For the record I finally learned to like Asian food and a select handful of vegetables, but it took a long time. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/48 "2024-10-28T03:59:56Z")
FWIW I am convinced that most adults who hate vegetables had parents who persistently tried to force them upon them in losing power battles. My daughter tested the belief the longest, declining vegetables that the rest of us ate gladly for a long time. I ate what she left on her plate as is a father’s obligation. She now is semi-vegetarian and enjoys a wide variety of vegetables prepared a variety of ways. Nothing wrong with a sprinkle of oils btw @puzzlegal, especially a tasty one like olive oil. Fiber, with some protein and healthy fat, keeps one satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/49 "2024-10-28T05:33:43Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > They are pleasant enough to nibble on if I’m not hungry. That’s the trick. Eat some veggies when you not really hungry. Eat less at meal times because you already have stuff in your stomach. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/50 "2024-10-28T07:50:16Z")
If you say so. My husband’s Uncle used to say that he couldn’t drink water before a meal because it would fill his stomach. That’s not my experience, either. I’ve had a tiny number of times in my life when my stomach was mechanically too full to eat, and i found that extremely unpleasant. If vegetables did that, i REALLY would dislike vegetables. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/51 "2024-10-28T08:43:30Z")
I don’t get it. You don’t want to eat vegetables if they make you feel full? I’d think that would be the point. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/52 "2024-10-28T10:18:55Z")
There’s a difference between feeling full and having a stomach stuffed. Feeling full is warm and satisfying. Having a stuffed stomach just feels awkward and uncomfortable. Having a stuffed stomach while hungry is a truly miserable experience. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/53 "2024-10-28T10:50:53Z")
Your stomach does not know the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/54 "2024-10-28T11:00:24Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > After much research what I’ve found online, and which certainly seems to match my personal experience, is that after an extensive period on a low-carb diet one’s body becomes so good at processing fat that eventually you can maintain glycogen stores even on virtually no carbs. makes sense from an evolutiotionary POV … I am in a similar boat: while I (mid-50ies) am quite slim (183cm/70kg) and I still wear the same size Levi’s I did at age 18 (30w-32inseam) … I had to start doing IF some 10 years ago … It’s been working like a charm for many years, but gets somewhat trickier in the past few months … once I start eating around noon, I really eat a lot in my 6 or so hours. it seems the body is ultimately really good at squeezing out energy of the last calorie ingested … and steering/controlling behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/55 "2024-10-28T11:07:23Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > My diet is low calorie/low fat/high fiber. I find it’s good for weight control, but (TMI)… add coffee, and I need a toilet four or five times before noon. A definite tradeoff there. whats everybody’s chosen form of fiber? … bonus points if its: - cheap - widely available - tasty (seems like one of those cases where “you can pick any 2 of the 3”) as mentioned I do IF to quite good results, but I reckon I am way to heavy on carbs for a balanced diet (bread, rice, potatoes,…) and I’d like to remedy that ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/56 "2024-10-28T12:27:23Z")
Maybe not my stomach, but it’s not my stomach that says whether I’m hungry. I can eat two candy bars, which have very little volume, and wait 20 minutes, and I’m done eating. I can eat a head of cabbage and still be hungry. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/57 "2024-10-28T13:32:01Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > whats everybody’s chosen form of fiber? … bonus points if its: > > - cheap > - widely available > - tasty Tasty is a matter of opinion, but i find all the cruciferous vegetables except kale to be tasty, and many are cheap and widely available. Fresh red cabbage is a nice crunchy thing to munch on, for instance. And beans aren’t low-calorie, but they pack a lot of fiber. A nice bean soup is cheap in $$ (takes some time to prepare) and tasty, and dried beans are easy to find in any supermarket I’ve been to. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/58 "2024-10-28T13:49:24Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > A nice bean soup is cheap in $$ (takes some time to prepare) and tasty, and dried beans are easy to find in any supermarket I’ve been to. Canned beans are still very reasonably priced for the nutrition you get from them (arguably, even in absolute terms when compared to meat) and drastically shorten the time needed to produce bean-inclusive dishes. A pot with some broth/stock/bouillon, some beans (doesn’t have to be the whole can), and some vegees is quick and easy. There are also bean-based pastas you can use for the “noodle experience” if you’d like that. Soup can be either a time-consuming project or a quick, 5-10 minute prep time depending on how you go about it. Either way you get soup. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/59 "2024-10-28T14:47:29Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I can eat two candy bars, which have very little volume, and wait 20 minutes, and I’m done eating. I can eat a head of cabbage and still be hungry. You are not a typical person. Most people experience very little satiety from candy bars and lots from a sizable volume of fiber rich food. And of course on a satiety per calorie basis? I suspect even for you the cabbage is a slam dunk. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421/60 "2024-10-28T22:00:01Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > A pot with some broth/stock/bouillon, some beans (doesn’t have to be the whole can), and some vegees is quick and easy. That’s true. Actually, my favorite bean soup uses cans of beans, broth, carrots, celery, chard, canned tomatoes, a little tomato paste, some basil, and pasta. It takes a little time to prep the fresh veggies (carrots, celery, chard), but the rest is dead easy and quick. And all the beans makes it pretty high-fiber for the calories. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tmi-reduced-calorie-diets-and-fiber/994421.md?page=4)