# To all Obama apologists on the economy. You need to go fuck yourself today. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390 "2012-04-10T18:01:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/181 "2012-04-15T00:45:53Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Not trying to snark, but if you’d like to see those numbers, why don’t you compile them and post them? Now don’t be so rude! ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/182 "2012-04-15T01:41:24Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > You see, Bush takes the heat (and I am no fan of W) for the poor market that was a direct result of 9/11 > > Bush had all of what, a month to stop it? Clinton had his whole 8 years, and Daddy Bush made Osama bin Laden who he was. > > W brought the market back in his 8 years from a fiscal calamity. > > Liars figure, and figures lie. Indeed. 9/11 did not create a fiscal calamity. The DJIA closed at 9605 on 9/10/11. It had fallen down to 8235 by 9/21, but it gained over 300 points the next day, and steadily increased after that, and was back to 9741 by 11/15/11, and was over 10,000 by Christmas. What happened after that was not due to trauma from 9/11, but to Bush’s bungling — starting two wars (which, when not fought locally, are generally good for the economy) while simultaneously cutting taxes, and then wondering why the debt skyrocketed. As for Clinton having 8 years to catch Bin Laden, Bin Laden’s first act of terrorism against the US was the 1998 embassy bombings on Africa. Clinton almost immediately ordered the CIA to apprehend him, and launched 60 cruise missiles against his camp the same month, missing him by a few hours. I guess he could have done more, and I’m sure he would have if he had known what was coming, but we didn’t know that Bin Laden was going to attack inside US borders until August of 2001. Too bad Bush ignored that intel. On the other hand, after 9/11 Bush knew exactly what he had done, and he famously said that he didn’t know or care where Bin Laden was, and disbanded the CIA unit that was focusing on him. HE was the one who had almost 8 years to get him, and didn’t. And Obama was the one who had the guts to ignore the sovereignty of Pakistan, and he kept his campaign promise to take Bin Laden out wherever he was. And didn’t apologize for it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/183 "2012-04-15T02:42:13Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > One also must remember, the first 12 months of a new admin are left over effects of the previous admin. Consider it takes a good 9 months for a POTUS to get his admin in place. > > So to see the true factors of the numbers previous posted, I would like to see start and end dates. If youre just picking from the days a POTUS takes office, your figures in terms of responsibility for effect are not accurate The claim that different effects would be seen if one were to examine lags is a common dodge from those who are interested in defending republicans or conservative ideology. If you are interested in actually learning,google “eriposte democrats versus republicans.” They present averages for all available data for all available presidencies up to Bush. Even when accounting for lag, the data still clearly favor democratic presidencies. On every index. If one makes decisions based on evidence, the decision isn’t even close. I do ask you one favor. Since nearly every time these data are presented to conservatives, they disappear from the discussion, could you at least do the courtesy of confirming that you did look at the data? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/184 "2012-04-15T03:03:06Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > … And didn’t apologize for it. What about the “Fuck US! We’re Really, Really Sorry!” World Tour Obama went on! Took his apologizin’ teleprompter and everything! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/185 "2012-04-15T11:07:53Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > As for Clinton having 8 years to catch Bin Laden, Bin Laden’s first act of terrorism against the US was the 1998 embassy bombings on Africa. Clinton almost immediately ordered the CIA to apprehend him, and launched 60 cruise missiles against his camp the same month, missing him by a few hours. But he was just trying to distract people from the blowjob story; don’t you remember? That’s what the Disloyal Opposition kept saying. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/186 "2012-04-15T14:01:23Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > It’s damn near impossible for the _disabled_ to get SSDI in a timely manner, fat lot of good it will do an able-bodied person to try. Besides the fact it’s fraud. I know three people on SSDI. Each is perfectly healthy. And each is a bullshit artist. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/187 "2012-04-15T14:04:15Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I know three people on SSDI. Each is perfectly healthy. And each is a bullshit artist. So call the SSDI admin and rat on them, you sideline-sitting, mopey, woe-is-me, complainer. Also, you may just not be able to tell that they have a problem. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/188 "2012-04-15T14:28:58Z")
I’m tired of people with limited education and unupdated skillsets in buggy whip towns complaining about the economy. Get the fuck out of your flyover shitholes and fucking better yourself; in the meantime, STFU about things your limited education and unupdated skillsets don’t even begin to cover. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/189 "2012-04-15T14:29:24Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I know three people on SSDI. Each is perfectly healthy. And each is a bullshit artist. Turn 'em in. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/190 "2012-04-15T14:32:25Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I know three people on SSDI. Each is perfectly healthy. And each is a bullshit artist. You affiliate with a lot of criminals. I don’t know anyone on SSDI who shouldn’t be. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/191 "2012-04-15T14:33:58Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You affiliate with a lot of criminals. I don’t know anyone on SSDI who shouldn’t be. I imagine Crafter\_Man’s trailer park to be as wretched a hive of scum and villainy, as one is likely to find. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/192 "2012-04-15T14:35:08Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I know three people on SSDI. Each is perfectly healthy. And each is a bullshit artist. Unless their doctors are making up medical records, I can’t believe they’re perfectly healthy. I’ve been through the process and I have a very good idea of the documentation it takes just to get arbitrarily refused. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/193 "2012-04-15T14:38:02Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Unless their doctors are making up medical records, I can’t believe they’re perfectly healthy. I’ve been through the process and I have a very good idea of the documentation it takes just to get arbitrarily refused. How dare you question Crafter\_Man’s judgement!? He can glace at someone and tell in a heartbeat if they’re sick or stealing his hard-earned tax-dollars. A heartbeat! ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/194 "2012-04-15T15:18:36Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Unless their doctors are making up medical records, I can’t believe they’re perfectly healthy. I’ve been through the process and I have a very good idea of the documentation it takes just to get arbitrarily refused. Each is perfectly healthy. #1 – A girl I went to HS with. She’s been on SSDI for about 10 years. Lives with two other women who are also on SSDI. They run a business raising and selling goats in Tennessee. Cash only. \*Lots \*of physical labor. #2 – Friend of my uncle. Has been on disability for a “bad back.” My uncle works full-time restoring classic cars in his garage. His friend works for him. Lots of welding, sanding, etc. Cash only. #3 – Wife of #2. Was envious of her husband, so she checked herself into a metal ward and convinced them she was crazy. She knows the system \*very \*well (she helped get her husband on disability), and knows what doctors to go to and what forms to fill out. She expects to be on disability sometime next year. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/195 "2012-04-15T15:24:20Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Each is perfectly healthy. > > #1 – A girl I went to HS with. She’s been on SSDI for about 10 years. Lives with two other women who are also on SSDI. They run a business raising and selling goats in Tennessee. Cash only. \*Lots \*of physical labor. > > #2 – Friend of my uncle. Has been on disability for a “bad back.” My uncle works full-time restoring classic cars in his garage. His friend works for him. Lots of welding, sanding, etc. Cash only. > > #3 – Wife of #2. Was envious of her husband, so she checked herself into a metal ward and convinced them she was crazy. She knows the system \*very \*well (she helped get her husband on disability), and knows what doctors to go to and what forms to fill out. She expects to be on disability sometime next year. Then why haven’t you reported them? Not only are they fraudulently on SSDI but they’re working under the table and most likely not paying taxes on the income. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/196 "2012-04-15T15:25:22Z")
I took a seminar on fraud prevention taught by FBI agents, they told me that it is a felony not to report a felony. Turn them in. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/197 "2012-04-15T15:56:02Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Each is perfectly healthy. > > #1 – A girl I went to HS with. She’s been on SSDI for about 10 years. Lives with two other women who are also on SSDI. They run a business raising and selling goats in Tennessee. Cash only. \*Lots \*of physical labor. > > #2 – Friend of my uncle. Has been on disability for a “bad back.” My uncle works full-time restoring classic cars in his garage. His friend works for him. Lots of welding, sanding, etc. Cash only. > > #3 – Wife of #2. Was envious of her husband, so she checked herself into a metal ward and convinced them she was crazy. She knows the system \*very \*well (she helped get her husband on disability), and knows what doctors to go to and what forms to fill out. She expects to be on disability sometime next year. Yet one more example as to why the North should secede from the union. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/198 "2012-04-15T16:21:11Z")
Guys, give it up, he’s got anecdata. Trumps pretty much everything. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/199 "2012-04-15T16:48:31Z")
I have anecdata that trumps\*\* Crafter Man’s\*\* I swear that everything I say is true. You must trust me. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Each is perfectly healthy. > > #1 – A girl I went to HS with. She’s been on SSDI for about 10 years. Lives with two other women who are also on SSDI. They run a business raising and selling goats in Tennessee. Cash only. \*Lots \*of physical labor. - they are not on SSDI. They are telling you this to stop you from hitting on them. They find you gross. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > #2 – Friend of my uncle. Has been on disability for a “bad back.” My uncle works full-time restoring classic cars in his garage. His friend works for him. Lots of welding, sanding, etc. Cash only. - your uncle’s friend actually works for the CIA. The truck fixing business is a cover. He’s investigating a file that you know nothing about. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > #3 – Wife of #2. Was envious of her husband, so she checked herself into a metal ward and convinced them she was crazy. She knows the system \*very \*well (she helped get her husband on disability), and knows what doctors to go to and what forms to fill out. She expects to be on disability sometime next year. Wife is not actually his wife, but is in witness protection program after blowing the whistle on Columbian drug lords. Is personally responsible for ensuring 50 tons of cocaine was seized at the border. Awarded medal of honor (in secret). Also not on SSDI. ETA: It’s fun making shit up! Thanks **Crafter Man** for starting us off! ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/200 "2012-04-16T04:39:54Z")
Did I read this right? Is the poster of this thread _actually_ a Republican who is mad at Obama (and presumably other Democrats) because the Republicans that he voted for succeeded in trimming “big government” and so he and hundreds of thousands of other government employees are out of work? It’s the Democrats fault government is shrinking and government employees like him are losing their jobs? What, it’s the Dems’ fault for not being superhumanly capable in resisting the efforts of the people you voted for? Because every economic initiative from the GOP in the last twenty years seems to have involved laying off more government employees like the OP. So blaming the Dems because the GOP got a little power again and managed to enact parts of their agenda seems off-base. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=11)