# To all Obama apologists on the economy. You need to go fuck yourself today. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390 "2012-04-10T18:01:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/81 "2012-04-10T22:29:33Z")
Ah, “umadbro.” Great! I think you and \*\*magellan01 \*\* should have an insult throw-down. It would be pretty comical. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/82 "2012-04-10T22:30:12Z")
Ludovic nails it in post #2. OP, sorry about your lay off, I’ve been there fairly recently and wouldn’t wish that on anyone except maybe Republican Leaders. I disagree on who’s to blame for the economy and will vote for President Obama in November. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/83 "2012-04-10T22:31:47Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > **Biggirl** , you need to take a few moments from your OP-mandated self fucking to bite my shiny metal ass. Then, with or without the blessing of the OP, go back to knitting yourself a hat (I think saying GFY directly to a poster is against Board rules.) > > I assume you put “find me instances of Saint Cad being an economic douche” into a search field to avoid slogging through every post of his or reading every thread he’s been involved in. But not everyone has access to your magical search engine. We’d rather ask the many posters here who may have participated in some thread to volunteer it. Here, let me give you an example: > > **Random Poster:** That’s strange. Biggirl normally is pretty chill. Anyone remember a time when she made a complete ass out of herself? > > \*\*Rhythmdvl: \*\* Yeah, it is an anomaly, but it’s not the first time. Check out [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=647949)thread, maybe posts 47, 53 and 64. Aside from otherwise good points about the OP itself, her other responses will leave the taste of santorum in your mouth. > > So … anyone else (besides Biggerl, who should be crotch-deep in yarn at the moment) recall Saint Cad posting love notes to Norquist? > > My friend wants to know. Cad did post this nonsense railing against the inheritance tax: [Why is an estate tax constitutional? - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=542622) I’d venture to guess he has little understanding of economic issues. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/84 "2012-04-10T22:32:05Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Check your reading. Again, his salutation was: (emphasis mine) > > So, was it addressed to you or not? His salutation? Or is that just the title of the thread. What he actually said was > [@](#): > > Now going into a third straight year of budget and staff cuts, the district staff at my school district have just been told about massive staff cuts (me included). Why don’t you pull some more numbers out of Obama’s ass (they’re in there next to your head) and explain again about how the economy is recovering and has been for some time. Explain how real unemployment has gone down. > > Look, the economy is in the shitter and everyone except you and your President know it. So out of respect for me being laid off for the second summer in a row (ya know, last hired = first fired), I order a 24 hour morotorium on any statement implying the economy has been getting better under your President. So, it’s actually a fact that the economy is recovering and unemployment has gone down. There’s no two ways about that. However, it’s also undeniable that things aren’t good enough yet. However, it’s typically conservatives who think that austerity will help. So, someone has to get austeracized. Here’s a graph showing the problems that public sector employment has caused on the overall recovery: [http://www.epi.org/publication/public-sector-job-losses-unprecedented-drag/](http://www.epi.org/publication/public-sector-job-losses-unprecedented-drag/) ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/85 "2012-04-10T22:33:43Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Ah, “umadbro.” Great! I think you and \*\*magellan01 \*\* should have an insult throw-down. It would be pretty comical. Unfortunately I barely got "C"s in my Introduction to Rap Battles class. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/86 "2012-04-10T22:35:04Z")
Let me see if I can summarize this thread’s response to the OP’s pain and economic distress: 1. Cool story bro. Sucks to be u. 2. But your experience doesn’t mean anything, cause you’re just one guy. 3. And look here! This chart says Obama has improved the economy! 4. You cannot hold the president responsible for the economy. 5. Whatever’s still wrong with the economy is the fault of the previous president. 6. Either way, your unjust attack on Obama makes you sound like one of those conservatives! 7. So you’re getting what you deserve! Ha ha! Far from it for me to discourage you guys in this winning approach. As election day approaches, the economy continues to flounder along and one out of every six Americans remains unemployed or underemployed, I encourage you to redouble your efforts in getting this message out and educate voters about how they ought to feel about their crappy situations. If all Obama supporters take it to heart, I have some hope we will finally start to see things improve after November. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/87 "2012-04-10T22:37:13Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Ah, “umadbro.” Great! I think you and \*\*magellan01 \*\* should have an insult throw-down. It would be pretty comical. You really are that pissed off because I told you to look it up yourself. I’d apologize but you really should look it up yourself. Also, my response wasn’t only for you. **mhendo** seemed to think that something other than what was already in this thread was causing all the sarcastic replies. My position was and still is that there need be no other reason for the sarcastic replies than what was already in this thread. > [@mhendo](#): > > This seems to be a fairly common sentiment in this thread. Can anyone point me to the discussions you’re thinking of? I was generally aware of the OP before this, but i don’t recall any specific run-ins with him over issues of the economy and government policy. I am seriously a little flabbergasted at how badly you’re taking my search it yourself post. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/88 "2012-04-10T22:41:18Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Let’s get this straight right now. My rant was directed to the people who talk about how the economy has recovered under Obama. I didn’t pit Obama directly so all of you who think that this was directed to Obama can go back to school and learn to read from your now probably fired teacher. > > To point it out again, this was directed to people that turn some government-issued numbers into this picture of everything being great and wonderful economically and give Obama an almost Messianic reverence on how he has changed everything in the last three years. The economy still sucks despite any marginal improvement that may or may not be Obama’s doing. > > Oh and for all of you accusing me of being part of the government bloat, remember that your complaining about someone willing to babysit kids and try and teach them math as they tell me to fuck off. I saw a math teacher try to wake up a kid in class today during the lesson and the kid punched the teacher in the stomach for disturbing him. But I guess that the consequence of pulling down such huge paychecks. Maybe some of you need to start a thread: Reduce Big Government: Fire a Teacher. I’m generally against firing teachers. Kids need to see that teachers can sometimes be stupid adults, and thus we need conservative teachers like you. We all understood from your OP that you were pitting people who praised or in any measure approve Obama’s handling of the economy. We understood it because we can read. The federal government has very little to do with hiring and firing teachers. Local school districts do that. If you are going to make a career out of babysitting at a public school, please give my condolences to the faculty that have to pick up your slack. It is a lot more difficult than just babysitting. You are the one with a government job. There are private teaching jobs out there. Go get one. Yeah, it will be with less pay and less benefits, but you are against unions anyway, aren’t you? Your hypocrisy and stupidity are not just skin deep. It goes all the way to the bone. When you are a conservative trying to reduce the public payroll and destroy unions, stop crying so fucking much when it actually happens. Dumbfuck. Dumbfuck. Dumbfuck. Dumbfuck. Have you picked up on the fact that your politics support cutting off your own food supply? Most everyone else in this thread has. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/89 "2012-04-10T22:41:34Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Let me see if I can summarize this thread’s response to the OP’s pain and economic distress: Swing and a miss. Where’s the part about failing to connect tax cuts to education layoffs? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/90 "2012-04-10T22:44:47Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The feds fund your schools? How did you manage that, and how do we get on board? Uh, yeah. This. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/91 "2012-04-10T22:48:11Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > His salutation? Or is that just the title of the thread. It was both. He used the thread title as a salutation, so the audience could self-define either in it or not. This really seems pretty clear from the OP. As an analogy, if someone wrote a thread and had as the title, “To all knee-jerk, liberal douche bags who rarely actually contribute to the the discussion” And then went on to say that the mothers of these people are doberman-fucking cum sluts, I wouldn’t be offended in the least, as the person is clearly not talking to me. But if, say, **Lobohan** , took issue with those comments and tried to rush to the defense of his mother, that would make perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/92 "2012-04-10T22:50:40Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01;14953739But if, say, **Lobohan** , took issue with those comments and tried to rush to the defense of his mother, that would make perfect sense.[/QUOTE] By the way, she wants you to stop sending her gifts, it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/93 "2012-04-10T22:50:41Z")
Thanks **Lobhan**. I pass/failed Rap Battles 101, but now that Biggirl has doubled down on the \*umadbro \*I know I’m way out of my league. I kind of picture the OP as an accident victim (car, not pants). He’s dizzy and reeling from shock, standing in the cold rain outside his car. As the tow-truck operator slowly pulls it from the ditch, he’s bitching to his wife that they’re scratching the paint on the way up and, and, though it’s making it out of the ditch it’s not going fast enough for him. Also, the truck operator’s bastard cousin–and competition–is there slashing the OP’s tires and doing his best to fuck things up so he can try “rescuing” the car. Someone hand the OP an umbrella. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/94 "2012-04-10T22:56:21Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Let me see if I can summarize this thread’s response to the OP’s pain and economic distress: > > 1. Cool story bro. Sucks to be u. > 2. But your experience doesn’t mean anything, cause you’re just one guy. > 3. And look here! This chart says Obama has improved the economy! > 4. You cannot hold the president responsible for the economy. > 5. Whatever’s still wrong with the economy is the fault of the previous president. > 6. Either way, your unjust attack on Obama makes you sound like one of those conservatives! > 7. So you’re getting what you deserve! Ha ha! > > Far from it for me to discourage you guys in this winning approach. As election day approaches, the economy continues to flounder along and one out of every six Americans remains unemployed or underemployed, I encourage you to redouble your efforts in getting this message out and educate voters about how they ought to feel about their crappy situations. If all Obama supporters take it to heart, I have some hope we will finally start to see things improve after November. Did you miss all the posts that said they were sorry for his situation, even f they disagreed with his argument? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/95 "2012-04-10T22:58:31Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > By the way, she wants you to stop sending her gifts, it’s over. Okay, thanks! But tell her I was unable to cancel the order for the pair of mastiffs she paid me for. They should be there any day now. But after this, she’ll have to go back to stealing those junkyard dogs. Unless, of course, she can get her loving son to help her out. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/96 "2012-04-10T23:01:38Z")
**Saint Cad** –OK, fine. Stay home on Election Day and whine about how disappointed you are in Obama’s first term, or vote for the Green Party, or even Mitt Romney, if you think Republicans give a goddamn about public employees. If you think taking money away from the schools in order to give vouchers to the upper class, knock yourself out. But you’ll be pushing this country a little further down the road to being irredeemably right-wing and regressive in its political, social, cultural, and economic structure. Never forget: Republicans vote. Every. Time. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/97 "2012-04-10T23:12:27Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Check your reading. Again, his salutation was: (emphasis mine) > > So, was it addressed to you or not? If I were to write a thread entitled “To all you Zimmerman apologists, go fuck yourselves” and included in the post the sentence: “Why don’t you pull some shit out of your ass (right next to your head) about how we can’t know who attacked who first,” I would clearly be calling those with that opinion Zimmerman apologists, and you would have the right to mad at me, despite the fact that you don’t consider yourself even pro-Zimmerman. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/98 "2012-04-10T23:18:50Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > If I were to write a thread entitled “To all you Zimmerman apologists, go fuck yourselves” and included in the post the sentence: “Why don’t you pull some shit out of your ass (right next to your head) about how we can’t know who attacked who first,” I would clearly be calling those with that opinion Zimmerman apologists, and you would have the right to mad at me, despite the fact that you don’t consider yourself even pro-Zimmerman. Nope. As I think you’d agree, people can argue in good faith, and perhaps a mind will be changed once every ten years. 😉 But the term apologist refers to a blind type of believer, someone who will never give an iota or admit fault on his or her side—even if a particular point of defense oct attack may be used by both groups. So, your logic falls there. Now, if he didn’t write the title the way he did, I could see non-apologists being offended. But as it is, zero “Obama NON-apologists should be offended.”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/99 "2012-04-10T23:21:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But the term apologist refers to a blind type of believer, someone who will never give an iota or admit fault on his or her side [No it doesn’t](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apologist). ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/100 "2012-04-10T23:26:30Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [No it doesn’t](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apologist). I don’t disagree with the dictionary definition, though it really is somewhat antiquated, harkening back to when science/philosophy books were published with an _Apologia_. Now, technically, a kid who apologizes to another kid for hitting him is also an apologist. But when it comes to people being “apologists” for causes, etc., it takes on the flavor of what I said. I’m pretty sure you know that. And know what I meant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=6)