# To all Obama apologists on the economy. You need to go fuck yourself today. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390 "2012-04-10T18:01:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/121 "2012-04-11T06:45:48Z")
How did Sherlock Holmes put it? “When you have eliminated the impossible…” ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/122 "2012-04-11T08:52:46Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > The fact is, we got hit in 2008 with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, and no administration without superhuman powers would be able to turn that around completely in a mere few years. No. Obama made a tactical error by not asking for a $1.5 trillion stimulus package, which is 3/4 of what the situation called for, though he didn’t know it at the time. In the end, Olympia Snowe (R) cut $100 billion from aid to states and localities, which were some of the most efficient forms of stimulus proposed (highest multipliers). So we got only ~800 billion, less than half of what we needed. Obama also should have proposed better people for the Federal Reserve. When we faced depression, it was a crisis. But 8% unemployment isn’t considered a big deal, which is an outrage. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I don’t understand all the sympathy. If more conservatives lost their jobs as a direct result of government cutbacks, maybe they would reconsider their politics. It is hard for me to feel much sympathy when someone votes against their own self interest, and then blames the wrong guy for his misfortune. I agree. Saint Cad has been hit hard with a 2x4, but I doubt whether he will consider supporting textbook economics. So fuck him. It’s not karma though, it’s just the Republican Party. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Let’s get this straight right now. My rant was directed to the people who talk about how the economy has recovered under Obama. I didn’t pit Obama directly so all of you who think that this was directed to Obama can go back to school and learn to read from your now probably fired teacher. > > To point it out again, this was directed to people that turn some government-issued numbers into this picture of everything being great and wonderful economically and give Obama an almost Messianic reverence on how he has changed everything in the last three years. The economy still sucks despite any marginal improvement that may or may not be Obama’s doing. Fact: the economy has improved, and not in a merely marginal way. It is also, however, still awful in a postwar sense. But just because you lost your job now, doesn’t mean the economy isn’t expanding. Here are some good charts of the existing situation. See especially the last one to get a sense of the horror. Look at the first one to see the _immediate_ beneficial effects of the stimulus package. [Calculated Risk: March Employment Report: 120,000 Jobs, 8.2% Unemployment Rate](http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2012/04/march-employment-report-120000-jobs-82.html) The hole Obama inherited was exceptionally deep. Unfortunately, he also inherited an exceptionally viciously partisan Republican Party. You can see that in the record number of cloture votes they supported, in addition to the way they blocked executive appointments --without ideological objection-- even to the US treasury during the worst financial crisis in post war history. Chart here: [Pushback on False Equivalence and the Filibuster - The Atlantic](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/pushback-on-false-equivalence-and-the-filibuster/255634/) > [@](#): > > Oh and for all of you accusing me of being part of the government bloat, remember that your complaining about someone willing to babysit kids and try and teach them math as they tell me to fuck off. Props for teaching math though. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/123 "2012-04-11T09:03:32Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > This is a very big part of it. But 10% figure is a joke. Just got my taxes done, and the woman who does them (and has been doing them for a decade now) said she has seen a surprising number of people come in with reduced incomes from last year, some of them being on unemployment the entire year. The fact is, when a person goes off the unemployment roles, he’s no longer visible by the system. So presto! Everyone can talk about how the economy is turning around, albeit slowly. I’m really fucking sick of this pseudo-gotcha “I read half a magazine article” analysis of the unemployment rate. It’s stupid, and you’re stupid. You’re not breaking new ground, you’re not telling anyone with half a brain something they don’t already know, and your tax lady’s anecdotes aren’t fucking data. They already measure what you’re thinking about, discouraged workers, marginal workers, underemployed workers, in addition to the traditional unemployed. [Look it up, and quit being a fucking moron.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#United_States_Bureau_of_Labor_Statistics) Here’s a handy dandy [website](http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp) that has all the various unemployment rates, right up to the March figures, so you can see their historical averages, the run up to the Great Recession during Bush’s presidency, and where it’s going right now (hint… it’s down). ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/124 "2012-04-11T09:14:39Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > The fact is, when a person goes off the unemployment roles, he’s no longer visible by the system. False. The unemployment statistics are derived from a monthly telephone survey. Whoever told you this is a bad source of information. Or maybe you just jumped to a conclusion. > [@](#): > > I don’t blame Obama for the mess he inherited. I do blame him for the mess that is attributable to him, however. He certainly kept the Bush bailout/checkbook solution philosophy alive and well. I blame chowderheads who think that their folksy economics has anything to do with reality. Hey, I don’t pontificate about chemistry and I wade into physics threads with great hesitancy. Put in another way: what do you want Obama to do? Balance the budget? We tried that approach in the mid 1930s and the economy had a seizure. It is the _exact opposite_ of what is required during recession, at least according to college level textbook economics. > [@](#): > > When things get worse and worse, the masses tend to cling to their religion more. No, what they cling to is folk economics, which is to say crackpot stuff. > [@](#): > > Personal note- I honestly don’t care who wins the WH this year. But whoever does, I’d like to see them stay out of another war, get us out of afghanistan, and let any investment bank that is heading for bankruptcy go down like Frasier vs. Ali. Heh. That’s what Tim Geitner thought in 2008 – then Lehman collapsed and took the economy with it. The investment bank oligarchy has the rest of us by the balls: if you want to change that situation, it must be via boring reform and not during a crisis. As it is, the Republicans fought the very watered down Graham/Dodd with tooth, nail, ax and club. ETA: What Cheesesteak said. Oh, and every critique of the unemployment rate, [uses the statistics of these guys](http://www.bls.gov/) anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/125 "2012-04-11T10:12:29Z")
Damn, Stink Fish Pot, but I just did not realize how ignorant you are. Bummer. I do have hope you might educate yourself, but if you have not yet done so, why would anything change. The one hope I do have is that this is a very empirical matter. You can look for yourself. The data is readily available. Some of the stuff, like why the stimulus was not bigger, is a matter of some debate, but otherwise… ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/126 "2012-04-11T11:30:58Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > Speaking as someone who defends Obama on the economy, at least as compared to the Republicans, we’ve been the ones saying that the government shouldn’t be firing public sector workers, so I don’t think we’re the top people to be telling to go fuck ourselves. This is word for word what I should have written were it not in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/127 "2012-04-11T12:17:42Z")
Congratulation on being work-free. Work sucks. Take the time off to enjoy life until you have to enter the rat race again. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/128 "2012-04-11T12:24:49Z")
Nothing that stonger unions, 299 weeks of unemployment, and the new “un-earned no-income credit” won’t fix. Keep voting Democrat baby! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/129 "2012-04-11T12:39:33Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > The country is better with him in the white house? > > … > > In fact, the economy sucks… These two statements are not mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/130 "2012-04-11T12:44:36Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Nothing that stonger unions, 299 weeks of unemployment, and the new “un-earned no-income credit” won’t fix. Keep voting Democrat baby! House burned, fire’s smoldering… time for another splash of Raging Elephant® brand gasoline! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/131 "2012-04-11T12:49:35Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Nothing that stonger unions, 299 weeks of unemployment, and the new “un-earned no-income credit” won’t fix. Keep voting Democrat baby! The Earned Income Tax Credit was enacted under Gerald Ford (R) with bipartisan support, and expanded under Ronald Reagan (R), with bipartisan support. I know the concept of bipartisanship is foreign to you, but there was a time, a long time ago, when Republicans based their policies on what was good for the country as a whole, instead of what was good for the special interests to whom they owed fealty. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/132 "2012-04-11T13:18:50Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > It sucks getting drowned in the bathtub. I will always love you. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/133 "2012-04-11T14:10:43Z")
This thread is so multi-faceted. We’ve got Cad biting the hand that feeds him, Magellan screaming at clouds and taking liberal dictionaries to task, and SFP stumbling in and incoherently shitting all over himself. Cad, I hope you see your way through this. Although, it would be nice if you learned that the people you vote for caused it. And because of the misinformation you believe is true, you have been thanking them for it. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/134 "2012-04-11T14:58:48Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > an almost Messianic reverence > [@Ludovic](#): > > Who are those people? Mostly the OP and the talking heads at Fox News and talk radio and thier followers, who all believe in the God-like powers of Obama to personally affect everthing in the country. Note to OP: the next time you community wants to reaise property taxes, vote “YES”. That was what was paying your salary. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/135 "2012-04-11T18:39:52Z")
My favorite part of the OP is where he offered alternative policies to the ones Obama enacted. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/136 "2012-04-11T20:02:51Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > **Biggirl** , you need to take a few moments from your OP-mandated self fucking to bite my shiny metal ass. Then, with or without the blessing of the OP, go back to knitting yourself a hat (I think saying GFY directly to a poster is against Board rules.) > > I assume you put “find me instances of Saint Cad being an economic douche” into a search field to avoid slogging through every post of his or reading every thread he’s been involved in. But not everyone has access to your magical search engine. We’d rather ask the many posters here who may have participated in some thread to volunteer it. Here, let me give you an example: > > **Random Poster:** That’s strange. Biggirl normally is pretty chill. Anyone remember a time when she made a complete ass out of herself? > > \*\*Rhythmdvl: \*\* Yeah, it is an anomaly, but it’s not the first time. Check out [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=647949)thread, maybe posts 47, 53 and 64. Aside from otherwise good points about the OP itself, her other responses will leave the taste of santorum in your mouth. > > So … anyone else (besides Biggerl, who should be crotch-deep in yarn at the moment) recall Saint Cad posting love notes to Norquist? > > My friend wants to know. A search for posts where **Saint Cad** uses the term “Norquist” reveals no posts. A similar search of his posts using the word “Obama” makes it clear that he never wanted President Obama in the office, and suggests that in his opinion every economic policy action President Obama ever took was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/137 "2012-04-11T20:16:39Z")
P.S. Good luck with your upcoming job search, **Saint Cad**. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/138 "2012-04-11T20:47:53Z")
Isn’t it ironic that someone who names himself Saint would complain about messianic reverence for Obama? Or is that just jealousy? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/139 "2012-04-11T21:03:08Z")
> [@the second stone](#): > > i’m generally against firing teachers. Kids need to see that teachers can sometimes be stupid adults, and thus we need conservative teachers like you. We all understood from your op that you were pitting people who praised or in any measure approve obama’s handling of the economy. We understood it because we can read. > > The federal government has very little to do with hiring and firing teachers. Local school districts do that. > > If you are going to make a career out of babysitting at a public school, please give my condolences to the faculty that have to pick up your slack. It is a lot more difficult than just babysitting. > > You are the one with a government job. There are private teaching jobs out there. Go get one. Yeah, it will be with less pay and less benefits, but you are against unions anyway, aren’t you? > > Your hypocrisy and stupidity are not just skin deep. It goes all the way to the bone. When you are a conservative trying to reduce the public payroll and destroy unions, stop crying so fucking much when it actually happens. Dumbfuck. > Dumbfuck. > Dumbfuck. > Dumbfuck. > > Have you picked up on the fact that your politics support cutting off your own food supply? Most everyone else in this thread has. standing ovation ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/140 "2012-04-12T01:37:47Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I assume you put “find me instances of Saint Cad being an economic douche” into a search field to avoid slogging through every post of his or reading every thread he’s been involved in. I’m pretty sure the below would qualify one as an “economic douche.” [QUOTE=Saint Cad] Despite what Obamaites think, Keynesian economics is far from a proven economic theory so I’ll see your spending during a recession and raise you the supply-side economics that got us out of the stagflation of the 1970’s and early 80’s recession. Also, one argument against social welfare programs is that it does nothing to promote revenue-generating infrastructure. **The Republicans would argue that giving $10,000 to a business in tax break generates jobs and capital improvements while giving it to single mothers generates income for Colombian drug-lords as they buy crack with their welfare checks**. It may be the case that borrowing money is needed as an occassional stop-gap measure like paying for a war or a stimulus package but borrowing continually to make up a deficit as a normal course of business is a recipe for eventual disaster. [/QUOTE] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=8)