# To all Obama apologists on the economy. You need to go fuck yourself today. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390 "2012-04-10T18:01:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/141 "2012-04-12T01:45:50Z")
If he actually meant that quote, then I’m a lot less worried about him not being involved in any way in education anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/142 "2012-04-12T02:13:40Z")
:eek: Thanks. Was “Obamites” on that long thread about terms that when used seriously instantly allow writing the poster off? Pit thread, I think. Plus … “supply-side economics that got us out of the stagflation”? I thought massive borrowing and government spending on military programmes and projects did that. It’s not that conservativism in general requires a stream of inanities. Pro life, smaller government, pro business … these have rational, articulable arguments behind them. I don’t find the reasoning persuasive enough to agree with, but wish there were more people dropping the Fox-like rhetoric for even mild hyperbole. Shame, really. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/143 "2012-04-12T02:45:33Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > :eek: > > Thanks. Was “Obamites” on that long thread about terms that when used seriously instantly allow writing the poster off? Not sure, but railing against “Obama the Messiah” is. ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/144 "2012-04-12T03:04:46Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I saw a math teacher try to wake up a kid in class today during the lesson and the kid punched the teacher in the stomach for disturbing him. But I guess that the consquence of pulling down such huge paychecks. Maybe some of you need to start a thread: Reduce Big Government: Fire a Teacher. And you didn’t have the kid arrested for assault because… ? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/145 "2012-04-12T03:39:44Z")
This thread and others like it, remind me why I don’t hang out here as much as I once did. It’s always the same stupid partisan bullshit, from the same stupid partisan shills. Even when they are getting their throats cut by their OWN FUCKING PARTY. Idiots. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/146 "2012-04-12T04:01:47Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > standing ovation Thank you. My poison pen gets really good when I go off my nice guy meds. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/147 "2012-04-12T06:03:36Z")
Yeah, I gotta concur, **Second Stone** : you really knocked it outta the park with that post. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/148 "2012-04-12T11:45:45Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Congratulation on being work-free. Work sucks. Take the time off to enjoy life until you have to enter the rat race again. So true, all year I have been sitting on my couch that I bought with Bush’s stimulus handout of 2007. Finally I got off the couch (an Eilerson) when Obama found me a job. Ok so cooking and delivering pizza’s isn’t all that, but dang the tips are good! Just last night delivered an order to the subsidized housing projects and she gave me a roll of quarters as a tip, that’s ten bucks! Obama must’ve found her a job too! ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/149 "2012-04-12T11:49:43Z")
If only there was a party willing to follow the simple 3-step plan to save the economy: 1. Cut taxes for the most wealthy to some of the lowest levels in history, in defiance of economic sense 2. Threaten a default on all our loans 3. Aggressively obstruct anything Obama wants to do to help the economy I feel certain the economy would be booming again if only such a brave party existed. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/150 "2012-04-12T15:21:04Z")
The difference between a recession and a depressions is that it is a recession when you neighbor losses his job. It’s a depression when you lose your job. Ronald Reagan ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/151 "2012-04-12T15:23:18Z")
> [@Carmady](#): > > If only there was a party willing to follow the simple 3-step plan to save the economy: > > 1. Cut taxes for the most wealthy to some of the lowest levels in history, in defiance of economic sense > 2. Threaten a default on all our loans > 3. Aggressively obstruct anything Obama wants to do to help the economy > > I feel certain the economy would be booming again if only such a brave party existed. Why don’t you wish for a pony while you’re at it? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/152 "2012-04-12T16:04:31Z")
The news is out-more people are filing for unemployemt benefits. Despite hundreds of billions spent on “stimulus” projects (including billions thrown away on “green” energy projects). Unemployment is still above 8.2%. Of course, if you count discouraged job seekers, and people who have given up (and retired), the unemployment rate is probably over 16%. I also notice that local lawyers are pushing SS Disability-its a way of getting SS without taxation-the rise in such claims is probably tied to the high unemployment rate. It is all Bush’s fault! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/153 "2012-04-12T16:11:14Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I also notice that local lawyers are pushing SS Disability-its a way of getting SS without taxation-the rise in such claims is probably tied to the high unemployment rate. > It is all Bush’s fault! It’s damn near impossible for the _disabled_ to get SSDI in a timely manner, fat lot of good it will do an able-bodied person to try. Besides the fact it’s fraud. At least you finally admit it’s Bush’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/154 "2012-04-12T16:25:23Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > The news is out-more people are filing for unemployemt benefits. Despite hundreds of billions spent on “stimulus” projects (including billions thrown away on “green” energy projects). Unemployment is still above 8.2%. > Of course, if you count discouraged job seekers, and people who have given up (and retired), the unemployment rate is probably over 16%. > I also notice that local lawyers are pushing SS Disability-its a way of getting SS without taxation-the rise in such claims is probably tied to the high unemployment rate. > It is all Bush’s fault! It’s interesting the particular level of stupid you’re able to bring. There is so much you don’t understand, it’s intermeshing in this clockwork of nonsense. Okay, thought experiment. Say **Person A** is removing a pile of sandbags. He’s doing it very slowly, but he gets one or two put into the garbage chute. Right at the end of his shift, a sandbag truck overturns and increases the pile of sandbags to like 5 times its previous size. Now **Person B** is hired to get rid of all these sandbags. He gets rid of them way faster than the first guy. In fact he spends some money on a wheelbarrow, that lets him do it faster still. You do understand that Person B can be doing a better job than Person A even though there are more sandbags than there were before the truck overturned, right? I mean you can’t be so stupid that you think Person B needs to have the sandbags down to where they were before the truck overturned to be said to be doing a better job, can you? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/155 "2012-04-12T16:26:35Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > let any investment bank that is heading for bankruptcy go down like Frasier vs. Ali. I’m not entirely sure you phrased that right. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/156 "2012-04-12T16:30:35Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Of course, if you count discouraged job seekers, and people who have given up (and retired), the unemployment rate is probably over 16%. If the government is cooking the books to show that unemployment is better than it really is, don’t you think they would come up with a better number than 8.2% ? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/157 "2012-04-12T16:41:48Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > don’t you think Forget it, Fear Itself, it’s ralphrandomnumbers. Seriously, he’s one of those people who make me embarrassed on behalf of humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/158 "2012-04-12T16:42:22Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If the government is cooking the books to show that unemployment is better than it really is, don’t you think they would come up with a better number than 8.2% ? Hey, Obama cooked up this whole nonsense of the “official” unemployment rate, in order to make his pathetic policies look better. It’s not like the Bureau of Labor Statistics have been measuring it for 70 years, or anything. It’s a phony baloney number, except when Reagan got it to come down, back then, it was a really good way to measure the economy. Times are different now. Today, once you include people who are discouraged, underemployed, not happy with their job, and angry at our usurping Kenyan Muslin president, it’s like 83% unemployment. Shit, my barber told me that every single person who came into his shop this week is unemployed, even himself! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/159 "2012-04-12T17:44:01Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Let’s get this straight right now. My rant was directed to the people who talk about how the economy **has recovered** under Obama. No, it wasn’t. It was directed to the people who say it **is recovering** under Obama: > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Why don’t you pull some more numbers out of Obama’s ass (they’re in there next to your head) and explain again about how the economy **is recovering and has been for some time**. Explain how real unemployment has gone down. > > \ > > I order a 24 hour morotorium on any statement implying the economy **has been getting better** under your President. Bolding mine in all cases. Verb tense is important. I haven’t heard a soul claim that the economy **has recovered** yet. We’re not back to a normal economy; we’re a long way from it, unfortunately. But it [is demonstrably improving](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/all-measures-of-unemployment-are-falling/2011/08/25/gIQAX5U5tQ_blog.html), just a lot more slowly than we’d like. And we Dems would like to speed up our return to a healthy economy, but in the words of Stephen Stills, we’re getting “so much resistance from behind.” Right now, we’re in a situation where there really is such a thing as a free lunch, but the GOP doesn’t want us to eat it. Take infrastructure spending. Nationwide, there are trillions of dollars of infrastructure projects that will have to be done sooner or later: this money will eventually be spent if we want to continue to claim to be a first-world country. And the cheapest time to spend it is now: 1. The Federal government can borrow money now at rates we’re unlikely to see again. 2. Because people are out of work, labor costs are lower than they’ve been and are likely to be. 3. Since demand for everything is low, raw materials (excluding gasoline) are cheap to purchase, equipment rental is cheap, etc. So we would save a bunch of money by doing any infrastructure maintenance and improvements now that we’d have done now or in the next several years if the economy was in good shape. AND we don’t crowd out other use of the same resources, because everything from money to workers to asphalt are lying idle. And by putting people to work, we’d be putting money in their pockets, which they’d spend, which would increase the demand for the things they buy, which would put other people back to work, and you get a nice virtuous cycle going. And we’d be saving money over the long haul, even before we factored in the fact that those people we put back to work would pay taxes into the Treasury. So the workers would be better off, the Federal deficit/debt situation would be better over the medium term, etc. It’s fucking win-win-win. But the GOP wants us to lose, lose, lose. Friends don’t let friends vote Republican. I used to say that jokingly, but now I’m dead serious. Whatever their motives, this is a party that’s acting in an evil and destructive manner. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390/160 "2012-04-12T19:07:09Z")
**RTFirefly** , you don’t understand conservative economics. Business and government leaders who let our bridges collapse and our roads become full of potholes are job creators. Gravedigging jobs, front end alignment jobs, … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-obama-apologists-on-the-economy-you-need-to-go-fuck-yourself-today/618390.md?page=9)